RAF Tornado squadron cuts confirmed
The Royal Air Force has confirmed that two Tornado GR4 squadrons will be disbanded.
Gary Parsons - 1-Mar-2011
Key - Gary Parsons
March 1: The Royal Air Force has confirmed that two Tornado GR4 squadrons will be disbanded on June 1.
One squadron from RAF Marham, XIII Squadron, and one from RAF Lossiemouth, 14 Squadron, have been selected by the Air Force Board Standing Committee, taking into account operational commitments and the relative seniority of the squadrons at each base.
The RAF will retain five frontline Tornado squadrons with a total fleet of 136 GR4 aircraft. It is expected that the two remaining front-line squadrons at RAF Lossiemouth, 12 and 617 Squadrons, will relocate to RAF Marham at a future date.
Peter Bezemer said on the 3-Jan-2011 at 16:03
first harriers, now tornadoes, whats next? typhoons?
NickP said on the 3-Jan-2011 at 17:15
Don't joke Peter - I bet Cameron and his military demasculation squad have been touting one owner slightly used Typhoons to all up and coming despots on his recent N.Africa tour!
mike yates said on the 3-Jan-2011 at 20:40
How Cameron can keep insisting that we will not be hurt by these cuts is beyond me.It has been a long held belief that the UK needs at least ten front line fighter squadrons. Five defence four attack and one reserve. O.k. but this leaves nothing left for No Fly Zones like the ones being muted for Libya for instance. Out of 135 Tornados left in service, all will not be available at any one time, in fact if you factor one third being out because of serviceing or upgrades,then our numbers look incredibly reduced, compared with the likes of France or Germany or Spain.
I am glad we have the Tornado to fall back on, as we do, fortunately because we had airframe numbers spare. And this is the point, if we cut too much we have nothing spare if we need it. I would say if we keeep Typhoon orders to around 150 units,F35 to 50 units and either f18 at 50 units or navalised Typhoons at this number by the second half of the decade, we will be o.k. The f18`s could be replaced by f35b if they can sort it out. Just a thought!
Peter Bezemer said on the 3-Jan-2011 at 20:51
and remember, having 136 aircraft, doesn't mean they are all ready to be used...
Nick Fazey said on the 3-Feb-2011 at 10:17
I Remember When I Was An AirCadet....
And Went To Summer Camps On RAF Stations As Far As The Eye Could See Was Aircraft Tail Fins
IE: Tornados,Jaguars,Harriers,Phantoms,Buccaners,Vc10Tristars,Hercules Just To Name A Few.
Now You Go And As Far As The Eye Can See Is... Tarmac, Runway, Taxiways,Fields!!!!
Whats Going On With The Goverment?
Doe's It Make You Proud To Be British?
Marc Taylor said on the 3-Feb-2011 at 12:09
I'm proud to be British and of our armed forces but embarrased at the depth of these cuts. How can we be a world player if we don't have the assets to support it. Cameron seems to enjoy the world stage and his tough talk but he's set the wheels in motion that will decimated the military that have to back it up. I dread the news these days, cut cut cut. There won't be anything left.
Andy Mac said on the 3-Feb-2011 at 13:28
What about 15(R) sqn (the Tornado OCU) at Lossie- it hasn't been mentioned as far as I can see. Will they move the Marham as well do we know?
Ed - it is thought the OCU will stay at Lossiemouth due to the simulator training or move to RAF Leuchars - or the Typhoons will move to Lossie if Leuchars is closed instead.
mike yates said on the 3-Feb-2011 at 13:38
@ Nick Fazey, Yes you are right, but.....what did they all do? Early in the decade we had 200 Tornados 200 Jaguars 100 Harriers 50 Hercs. Was this way over the top,... think about it.
We are left with (only) 136 Tornados now...well what do they do all day. There are 10 in A-stan. What do the other 126 do each and every day. What would rhe Jag and Harrier drivers be doing...nothing! All that hardware doing nothing,300-400 pilots just, what, practising. Thats a lot of cash doing nothing, If this is Camerons way of thinking, then fair enough, but this is DEFENCE.. he is now on about enforcing no fly zones in Libya and that changes thedynamic, it now becomes OFFENCE....and this is what we need the axtra jets and pilots for. If the government want the cuts, they should NOT commit our jets elsewhere in the world, we don`t have enough for that. Why can`t Cameron see this.
Nick Fazey said on the 3-Feb-2011 at 13:41
I Am Proud To Be British And Of Our Armed Forces Of The Role They Are All Doing On Deployment And At Home Supporting Operations Around The World.. With All The Little Resources That They All Have At Thier Disposal.
These Cuts Need To STOP... FULL STOP!!!!!
What Next.... The (Grob Tutor 115) Of The Flying Traning Sqnds And The Air Cadets Will Be Armed And Defending Our Country!!!
mike yates said on the 3-Feb-2011 at 21:35
If the MoD hear that, they`ll use them instead of buying Reapers. They all seem to be cheap and infinately expendable. (bad taste) I know.....but I`M only joking...
Nick Fazey said on the 3-Mar-2011 at 09:20
@ Mike Yates....
Anything Is Possiable With This Goverment!!!
(Laughting Out Load.)
Marc Taylor said on the 3-Mar-2011 at 10:35
You're right, anything is possible and that's what scares me! Why is it people like us can see common sense but the Government seem to be incapable of it. I'm not just talking about defence cuts either! At the end of the day all I want, and I'm sure most of the population would agree. Is a military that's well equipped and capable of defending our country and our interests around the world. Can we do that now? Just about, but not without the Americans!
drabslab said on the 3-Mar-2011 at 12:16
If I am not mistaken then it has been the long term ambition of the UK government to have its armed forces trully integrated with the US armed forces.
The decision to go for the F-35 monster, to destroy Harrier, scrap Nimrod, buy apache, throw out some Tornado's, jaguars... are all very logical when seen in that context.
After all, the only thing which UK will need in the future is a small "national guard" with the big decisions, and serious capabilities, being managed in the pentagon.
The UK got involved in long and expensive dirty wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) on basis of false US "evidence".
I wonder what the costs were of these wars (never mind human sacrifice) and to what extend the current cuts could have been avoided when that money would not have been wasted for invading countries which posed little thread to the UK.
As for the F-35, The UK is the only 1 tier F-35 partner but the US refuses to give key information to the UK.
Despite these huge missers the UK government stuburnly remains on its path of becoming completely military dependent on the US. I don't get it??!!
Next thing will be that UK will axe the Typhoon in favor of a few old F-15 or F-18.
With that decision the last bit of British aircraft engineering will die a natural death, or will be absorbed by Lockheed or Boeing...
Marc Taylor said on the 3-Mar-2011 at 12:28
Many good points there. The issue with the F-35 and the fact that we won't be given much of the technical data to upgrade our own aircraft independantly is not surprising. Our relationship with the Americans has always been a one way street.
Nick Fazey said on the 3-Mar-2011 at 12:57
I Agree... Remeber The Harrier!!! We Sent The Demo Aircraft To The US!!! The Next Thing We Knew Was That The USMC Had Taken All The Blue Prints And The Rights To The Aircraft!!!! As Always... US Says Jump... We Say... How High!!
Sidestick said on the 3-Mar-2011 at 21:51
This makes me very angry - again! Those of us who are old and bald will remember the Conservatives were bent on a similar path prior to the Falklands conflict and had to scramble around trying to retrieve all the hardware they'd just sold. It would appear that once again the lessons from history are just not being learned! - Bah humbug!
mike yates said on the 3-Mar-2011 at 22:24
Tornado was a Brit-Euro collaberation when we could have bought F15 and f16 and then F18. At that time we were at the forefront with design at Bae, and manufacture, again Bae and RR and our government were hellbent on keeping our forces in Brit hands.Brit made. Typhoon was the follow on, but now where is the next follow on. We do not have one because the last two foolish governments have ruined Brit aerospace manufacture. I honestly don`t have a problem buying American if we can`t have Brit. I actually am worried things are going the other way and our aircraft will have to be bought from our euro-friends at EADS. I can`t decide who`s bed it would be best to climb into. Either way we will be the poor relation of either, when we should be using our workers to build for us. Government should start with an order for a new CAS platform to replace Harrier and Tornado with the best features from both but without Vstol.