By: wilhelm
- 3rd September 2009 at 14:43Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That second Cheetah picture looks kinda fishy.....you sure it's not a PS job?
No PS job, it's actually from a while back.
I suspect they co-ordinated a bombing run with a photo run and added some Hollywood-type fuel-based pyrotecnics on the ground at bomb release time.
I'm trying to figure out where the bombs are hung under the fuselage. I know about the intake pylons, and the 2 bomb ponts under each tank. That leaves 4 bombs left under the fuselage. Are all 4 on the centreline, or are the little known and rarely seen rear pylons in use?
Not great quality but the GR1 distrbuting it's JP233. Not every plane can see it can carry 500+ bombs!
One picture i cannot find for want of trying is the tornado with 12 1000lb bombs. I'm sure it had 8 on double racks under the fuselage and 2 on double racks on each wing pylon. If anyone has this please share it with us all.
By: slipperysam
- 3rd September 2009 at 23:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No PS job, it's actually from a while back.
I suspect they co-ordinated a bombing run with a photo run and added some Hollywood-type fuel-based pyrotecnics on the ground at bomb release time.
I'm trying to figure out where the bombs are hung under the fuselage. I know about the intake pylons, and the 2 bomb ponts under each tank. That leaves 4 bombs left under the fuselage. Are all 4 on the centreline, or are the little known and rarely seen rear pylons in use?
You can just see the empty rear pylon in the 2nd picture...
By: alfakilo
- 4th September 2009 at 01:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
To change the subject a bit does anyone have good pictures of Lockheed's Shooting Star/Starfire series? F-80's, T-33's, or F-94's with stuff?
Not too much to see here, it seems.
The F-80 had two wing pylons where it could carry bombs or rockets. Late models supposedly had this increased to four but I haven't seen any pictures of this. Google F-80 images and you will find a few pics of the jet with bombs or rocket pods.
The F-94 was only an interceptor and as such didn't carry bombs or rocket pods in the usual sense. The B and C models were only armed with rockets and carried them in the nose or in pods built into the wing.
I can remember building models of these as a kid. Strombecker was an early kit maker...the models were preshaped wood and the builder used sandpaper to finish off the model. The kit came with a little glue packet that was mixed with water. As I recall, these models were fairly small.
Check this link for Strombecker...scroll down to see what the kits looked like!
By: PhantomII
- 4th September 2009 at 06:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I still say that Cheetah picture looks funny, but I'll take your word for it since I have no way of proving otherwise.
As for the Shooting Star/Starfire series, just to clarify I believe the F-80A and F-80B had one pylon under each wingTIP for fuel tanks or bombs, while the F-80C added an additional pylon under each wing as well as the capability to carry 5-inch rockets on retractable rails located inboard of the mid-wing pylons.
I've seen some fairly impressive photos of F-80's with various weapons loads including an F-80C with four 1,000-lb. bombs, which was actually an operational loadout during the Korean War for short-range missions.
As for the F-94, I know they didn't really carry underwing stores for the most part, but pictures of the rocket tubes of perhaps the F-94B's that were fitted with the twin .50 cal. gunpods used by the ANG.
Just trying to liven up the thread is all.
Oh, and to clarify on the Tornado pictures.....the German bird is using an MW-1 dispenser which was different from the JP.233 carried by RAF GR.1's. The MW-1 was one large pod taking up the entirety of the fuselage, while the JP.233 was carried in pairs under the fuselage.
By: rumcajs
- 4th September 2009 at 09:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Those technicians went to a lot of trouble to make these AA-8 Aphids look not only flight worthy but launch capable. It looks like they have modified the AT-3 Swatter / Falanga missiles tracks to not only support the AA-8, but have a slide on / off ability.The AA-8 does not require the seeker to be nitrogen cooled. So all one needs is a stable rail to hold the missile during flight and an electric rocket motor ignition to launch it. To hit one's target, one would need a seeker-head monitor to determine if the missile has acquired the target. The images do not show if they are monitoring the seeker-head. I'd say, based on what is shown that then could put up into a hover and launch the missile. Fully air-to-air capable is another matter - someone else will have to provide those details!!
well, confirmed, it´s joke, the photo was made in 1995 with Mi-24D number 4011. Just they put the missiles on tre tracks for photo making, any clips, initiation systems or electrical connection. There is still connection for falanga system on the end of the tracks, falanga missiles have blast tubes on the sides of the its body, just R-60 will destroy connection on the end of the tracks during launch...
By: Buddha
- 4th September 2009 at 12:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
well, confirmed, it´s joke, the photo was made in 1995 with Mi-24D number 4011. Just they put the missiles on tre tracks for photo making, any clips, initiation systems or electrical connection. There is still connection for falanga system on the end of the tracks, falanga missiles have blast tubes on the sides of the its body, just R-60 will destroy connection on the end of the tracks during launch...
By: Kapedani
- 24th September 2009 at 18:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some pictures of Tornado's dropping cluster munitions.
I'm not sure what weapons this the Luffwaffe are using possibly the JP233?
It is a MW-1. It does contain 648-672 MUSA f.e. or other ammunition.
I'm wondering why there is generally ony one available picture of Tornado's deploying these weapons. Was this weapon put into service, or was it just a prorotype, or was it only in use in a very limited number? Is it still in use?
By: PMN1
- 24th September 2009 at 23:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not seen that one, or is that what's on t'pods in this piccy?
No those are ALBM's, the bomb pod was apparently already designed for the Valiant but carrying 6 bombs (2 pods per Valiant), though the the book you show the front cover of is the only place i've seen it mentioned.
By: F35b
- 25th September 2009 at 10:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd like to get my hands on that book about the VC-10. anymore details like ISBN and author title price publisher etc? I never knew the VC-10 was considered for so many roles. I know it's a good aircraft and is faster than normal passenger jets but the book seems to imply it was thought of using the VC-10 for every role going. Stick a big radar a missiles and it could be a fighter lol
By: F35b
- 25th September 2009 at 10:39Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Found some info on the VC-10 book. It looks like a new one.
Product details
Paperback: 38 pages
Publisher: Blue Envoy Press (April 2009)
ISBN-10: 0956195105
ISBN-13: 978-0956195104
Product Dimensions: 29.2 x 20.4 x 0.8 cm
Detials from Amazon
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By: PhantomII - 3rd September 2009 at 13:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That second Cheetah picture looks kinda fishy.....you sure it's not a PS job?
Oh, and where are my Shooting Star/Starfire pictures? :)
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By: wilhelm - 3rd September 2009 at 14:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No PS job, it's actually from a while back.
I suspect they co-ordinated a bombing run with a photo run and added some Hollywood-type fuel-based pyrotecnics on the ground at bomb release time.
I'm trying to figure out where the bombs are hung under the fuselage. I know about the intake pylons, and the 2 bomb ponts under each tank. That leaves 4 bombs left under the fuselage. Are all 4 on the centreline, or are the little known and rarely seen rear pylons in use?
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By: F35b - 3rd September 2009 at 16:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some pictures of Tornado's dropping cluster munitions.
I'm not sure what weapons this the Luffwaffe are using possibly the JP233?
This is the RAF GR1 dropping the JP233 which i think comprises 200 little land mines and 30 odd runway bombs (this is a bit of a guess)
http://website.lineone.net/~tom.sunley/gr1jp233-2.jpg
Not great quality but the GR1 distrbuting it's JP233. Not every plane can see it can carry 500+ bombs!
One picture i cannot find for want of trying is the tornado with 12 1000lb bombs. I'm sure it had 8 on double racks under the fuselage and 2 on double racks on each wing pylon. If anyone has this please share it with us all.
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By: slipperysam - 3rd September 2009 at 23:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You can just see the empty rear pylon in the 2nd picture...
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By: alfakilo - 4th September 2009 at 01:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not too much to see here, it seems.
The F-80 had two wing pylons where it could carry bombs or rockets. Late models supposedly had this increased to four but I haven't seen any pictures of this. Google F-80 images and you will find a few pics of the jet with bombs or rocket pods.
The F-94 was only an interceptor and as such didn't carry bombs or rocket pods in the usual sense. The B and C models were only armed with rockets and carried them in the nose or in pods built into the wing.
I can remember building models of these as a kid. Strombecker was an early kit maker...the models were preshaped wood and the builder used sandpaper to finish off the model. The kit came with a little glue packet that was mixed with water. As I recall, these models were fairly small.
Check this link for Strombecker...scroll down to see what the kits looked like!
http://www.collectair.com/strombecker2.html
http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=3757&cat=Military%20Aircraft&manu=Strombecker&searchtext=F-80
Revell and Aurora came out with a plastic F-94C model that was popular.
http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=12639&cat=Military%20Aircraft&manu=Aurora&searchtext=F-94
http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=4231&cat=Military%20Aircraft&manu=Revell&searchtext=F-94
Here's one I remember building!!
http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=2390&cat=Military%20Aircraft&manu=Aurora&searchtext=Mig
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By: PhantomII - 4th September 2009 at 06:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I still say that Cheetah picture looks funny, but I'll take your word for it since I have no way of proving otherwise.
As for the Shooting Star/Starfire series, just to clarify I believe the F-80A and F-80B had one pylon under each wingTIP for fuel tanks or bombs, while the F-80C added an additional pylon under each wing as well as the capability to carry 5-inch rockets on retractable rails located inboard of the mid-wing pylons.
I've seen some fairly impressive photos of F-80's with various weapons loads including an F-80C with four 1,000-lb. bombs, which was actually an operational loadout during the Korean War for short-range missions.
As for the F-94, I know they didn't really carry underwing stores for the most part, but pictures of the rocket tubes of perhaps the F-94B's that were fitted with the twin .50 cal. gunpods used by the ANG.
Just trying to liven up the thread is all.
Oh, and to clarify on the Tornado pictures.....the German bird is using an MW-1 dispenser which was different from the JP.233 carried by RAF GR.1's. The MW-1 was one large pod taking up the entirety of the fuselage, while the JP.233 was carried in pairs under the fuselage.
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By: Sens - 4th September 2009 at 06:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It is a MW-1. It does contain 648-672 MUSA f.e. or other ammunition.
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By: jawad - 4th September 2009 at 07:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Can anyone provide picture of Cheetah with maximum Air to Air load
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By: rumcajs - 4th September 2009 at 09:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
well, confirmed, it´s joke, the photo was made in 1995 with Mi-24D number 4011. Just they put the missiles on tre tracks for photo making, any clips, initiation systems or electrical connection. There is still connection for falanga system on the end of the tracks, falanga missiles have blast tubes on the sides of the its body, just R-60 will destroy connection on the end of the tracks during launch...
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By: giganick1 - 4th September 2009 at 12:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
JP233
F35b the weapon on that German tornado is the german equivalent.
Also remember that these and cluster type weapons are officially banned by the UN
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By: Buddha - 4th September 2009 at 12:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for the clarification!!!
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By: F35b - 23rd September 2009 at 10:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
F105 ThunderChief with 750lb bombs
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By: F35b - 23rd September 2009 at 10:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not so much an impressive weapons load but an impressive avionics load for the F105.
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By: F35b - 23rd September 2009 at 16:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
B-52 weapons laid out.
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By: Kapedani - 24th September 2009 at 18:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm wondering why there is generally ony one available picture of Tornado's deploying these weapons. Was this weapon put into service, or was it just a prorotype, or was it only in use in a very limited number? Is it still in use?
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By: PMN1 - 24th September 2009 at 21:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Only existing on paper but what would have been impressive, the proposed VC-10 bomber with 8 external pods each carrying 8 1,000lb bombs......
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By: Al. - 24th September 2009 at 22:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not seen that one, or is that what's on t'pods in this piccy?
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By: PMN1 - 24th September 2009 at 23:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No those are ALBM's, the bomb pod was apparently already designed for the Valiant but carrying 6 bombs (2 pods per Valiant), though the the book you show the front cover of is the only place i've seen it mentioned.
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By: F35b - 25th September 2009 at 10:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd like to get my hands on that book about the VC-10. anymore details like ISBN and author title price publisher etc? I never knew the VC-10 was considered for so many roles. I know it's a good aircraft and is faster than normal passenger jets but the book seems to imply it was thought of using the VC-10 for every role going. Stick a big radar a missiles and it could be a fighter lol
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By: F35b - 25th September 2009 at 10:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Found some info on the VC-10 book. It looks like a new one.
Product details
Paperback: 38 pages
Publisher: Blue Envoy Press (April 2009)
ISBN-10: 0956195105
ISBN-13: 978-0956195104
Product Dimensions: 29.2 x 20.4 x 0.8 cm
Detials from Amazon
Here is a link to a previous thread on the VC-10 book
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=90060