Lough Foyle Corsair(Really old thread 2003!!)

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Hi folks,
Does anyone know how much is left of the Corsair at the bottom of Lough Foyle in Northern Ireland? According to W&R it's Corsair II JT693 'R' of 1837Sqn FAA. How did it end up in the lough and would what's left be worth recovering at all??

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Sturtivants Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939-45 has JT693 ‘R’ as 1843NAS at RNAS Eglinton suffered an engine fire and force landing on mudflats near Ballykelly 9/10/44, with S/L CH Schwenger RCN getting out ok. It also notes that it was found in 1994 although Wrecks and Relics first mentions it in the 8th edition, 1982, with mention of Firefly AS5 WB375, ex 225/GN of737NAS, and another Corsair also to be seen off Eglinton.
I remember seeing a picture of a Corsair in Flypast several years ago that was off the shore in Northern Ireland. It was just the stub wings and the centre fuselarge as I recall so it was probably 15 or more years ago when Flypast cared about aviation archeology (or maybe those days were easier and there was not so much regulation, etc).

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Cheers Flood, just what I was after. :cool: Sounds like there's a fairly substantial amount of her still in there,makes you wonder if it wouldn't be worth recovering.

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Ha!

If they could have done then I expect they would have.
If there was anything visibly lying around loose – wings, engine, prop, etc – then that would have been grabbed and we would have heard of it before now, but I imagine the easiest bits would have been reclaimed at the time of the accident anyway.
Seem to recall that they struggled to get Wildcat V JV482 out of Lough Beg and eventually used an AAC chopper (Think the headline/caption probably played on the Wildcat and Lynx connection. The headline writers will have difficulty making the same connection trying to find some sort of ‘pirate’-y theme if the Corsair gets lifted!).
If the picture that I mentioned above was of JT693 then, yes, it could be recovered and flying in a few years – IF they lifted up the seaweed and inserted a different, complete, Corsair beneath!!! I expect that the reason it wasn’t recovered before was the difficulty they would have with the mud – again I must stress that my memory is useless but I recall that either the Wildcat or another mud wallowing wreck was difficult to get to due to the mud and then you have to think of the tides (I believe it is fairly flat around that way so the sea would appear to rush at you – unnerving when you know that it might take you an hour to wade ashore, as I know from experience).

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Just checking on Google and up came http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Preserved/Corsair.html
which claims JT693 was recovered in 1994, but on another page on the same site - http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Preserved/FAAAircraftindex2000_A-H.html the information just mirrors Sturtivant's and says it was found in 1994. Wrecks and Relics 18 (which I trust much more than a site which regards types which were tested for a few days – such as the Mitchell or Ventura – as more important – read more lineage - than some unspectacular but long serving types, ho hum) still has it in the Lough.

I'd like to believe, but...

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Hi Flood,
Yeah I know alot of mud can be a bit of a bummer,I was just thinking/hoping out loud that there might be summat worth recovering.
I remember seeing something on Discovery channel about an RAAF recovery team trying to raise the wreck of a Spit Mk.V which had ditched in a Croc-infested river in NW Australia in 1943/44. Even though half the Spit was above the surface,they still couldn't get it out of the mud and ended up having to cut it into sections to raise it :( . Couldn't help thinking it would've been better off left where it was in hindsight.

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Any rebuild of a Corsair is a major undertaking,this old girl would be even more difficult.

Best it is left well alone

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I saw it from the air a few weeks ago. The forward fuselage section aft of the engine bulkhead is intact, as are the mainplanes. The cranked wing is clearly visible. It's lying about 100-200 yards offshore. I've always thought it's a pity that it has not been recovered - probably down to interest and money, as usual.

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Don't suppose you took any pics seafury??

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Sorry for delay - been working.

I'll see if i can get a digital pic for you ASAP.

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Cheers Seafury,would be interesting to see.:)

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Gosh - what a delay.

Any news on the pic?

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And speaking of Lough Foyle, are the substantial Firefly remains still sitting in the water off Eglinton (or should that be Derry International Airport or whatever they call it these days?).
I last saw them in the late 80s, probably the remains of at least two aircraft just to the east of the airfield, clearly visible from the air at low tide.

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found my corsair photo

These not very clear photos show the RN Corsair on the mud near Ballykelly as it was in 1960!!Every thing that could be removed had,we were so dissapointed!The wings are buried in the mud with just the tips protruding and the engine is detached from the fuselage.Wonder if its still there?

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another one

my photo is of one that is a few yards from the sea wall at Ballykelly.From memory maybe of the end of the North South runway?It is not the one near Eglington.Looked on Google and at 55degs 04mins North 7degs 00mins West there is an object showing in the mud.We walked down the road next to the airfield and turned right along the sea wall and it was there in the mud.Are there two known wrecks there?

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Reading PPrune it appears there are at least 2 wrecks a Firefly and the Corsair.. Anyone have an Id for the Firefly? I think they are getting mixed up!

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another look

OK the scout chopper is over a corsair!At Eglington.The one I climbed over an photographed is just of Ballykelly airfield!Mine was 1960 the chopper one 1972and still has engine attached and canopy so there must be two Corsair wrecks!!

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There are two Corsair wrecks -from memory FlyPast covered them both circa late 1982 in two issues. One has engine -one hasn't.

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There are two Corsair wrecks as well as a Firefly. I took these photos in 1963 or 64 and JT693 was in a poor state then. The other Corsair is too far out and not accessible on foot. The Firefly, I believe, crashed rather than ditched so it is badly broken up.

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Great pics AT.. thanks for posting. Judging by the fuselage alot of the airframe has been cut and hacked off over the years by souvenir hunters as well as mother nature.

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I should have mentioned that the last photo shows the other Corsair, in case anyone was wondering!