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By: - 21st January 2011 at 23:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
BA seriously do enjoy skating on thin ice
How so, just what is it that BA have done that any other employer has not done in the past and doing so in the present?
The cabin crew are in a world of their own with their unrealistic expectations. They're the ones skating on thin ice, continuing to annoy those which pay their wages, the paying public. They are the ones that need to wake up and face reality. The year is 2011. High fuel prices, high taxes and low yields all round.
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 03:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
2011 and BASSA/UNITE are still living in the their little world of dreams
BA keeps the planes flying and the unions keep losing face ,little support from those with in BA and no support from the travelling public
Every time They go on strike the noose gets a bit tighter and the rope a bit longer here,s hoping the new CEO will pull it close and put BASSA out of its misery once and for all
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 10:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I have never seen such a determined case of savaging the hand that feeds you.
As I've said before about these people, If they don't like it, then they should get off those planes and make room for those that would give their right arms to do their job! Believe me, there would be no shortage of takers. I'm sure that my very well educated nephew, who like me is an aviation 'nut', and does the only job that he can get at this time, poor sod, as a night shelf stacker at Tescos, would be on board like a shot! C'mon Walsh, lets get this sorted!
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 14:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I couldn't agree more, Interflug. These idiots don't actually deserve positions with BA and I'd personally love to see them dismissed and those positions taken by people more deserving. I've never seen such a high level of narrow-minded selfishness and lack of common sense, it's beyond belief. As Sandy says, they need to realise the little bubble of outdated glory they want to hang on to simply isn't practical in this day and age.
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 17:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
here,s hoping the new CEO will pull it close and put BASSA out of its misery once and for all
Who, when, did I miss something recently? :confused:
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 18:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I bet all future new contracts at BA in the future will have a "no union, no strikes" clause!
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 18:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Who, when, did I miss something recently? :confused:
Mr Keith Williams is now the CEO and I believe he takes over today,Mr Walsh becomes CEO of the International Aviation Group IAG
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 20:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I bet BA's competitors are rubbing their hands!
By: - 22nd January 2011 at 21:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I bet all future new contracts at BA in the future will have a "no union, no strikes" clause!
It would be illegal to impose any such condition, Sandy.
Would you prefer to live in a country where strikes and unions are illegal - like China, perhaps?
In 1982 that nice Mrs Thatcher brought in the Employment Act that set out the legal requirements for striking in support of disputes between employers and their workers concerning working conditions, wages, etc.
The same legislation granted employers to the right to fire striking workers and not face unfair dismissal claims so long as they sack all of the workers involved in the strike at a particular workplace on a particular day.
Oh, and let's not even begin to try and pretend that BA is an essential service, mate.
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 00:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I bet BA's competitors are rubbing their hands!
I'm not as I hope to be coming home with them, BA, next month. I think long haul flights were only slightly affected last time and short haul bore the brunt of the cancellations?
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 00:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Would you prefer to live in a country where strikes and unions are illegal - like China, perhaps?
It would appear though that quite a few people above would be prepared to do just that, seeing as they would obviously be prepared to accept whatever their employer says/does to them, regardless of the impact/s it might have on their living standards, thus making them slaves in effect!
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 01:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Holy cow! Several posters seem to have an all-or-nothing attitude. Isn't there something between slavery and workers unilaterally demanding pay and working conditions? Isn't it possible that the pendulum needs to swing slightly back in the companies favour without sliding all the way back to the sweatshop era?
Many unions in western countries have "no strike, no lockout" clauses, which is something different than Bmused was suggesting, but might help the company in the future.
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 01:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It would appear though that quite a few people above would be prepared to do just that, seeing as they would obviously be prepared to accept whatever their employer says/does to them, regardless of the impact/s it might have on their living standards, thus making them slaves in effect!
Aren't living standards rapidly rising in China, as opposed to Western Europe where they seem to be stagnating? IMHO, some human rights advances in China coupled with a return of work ethic in Western Europe would help both sides meet in the middle.
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 09:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sacrifice the Company for few or Sacrifice the few for the for the benefit of all,
take your pick
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 10:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It would appear though that quite a few people above would be prepared to do just that, seeing as they would obviously be prepared to accept whatever their employer says/does to them, regardless of the impact/s it might have on their living standards, thus making them slaves in effect!
What a bunch of horse dung!
We're talking travel perks here, a priviledge, a bonus.
We're not talking about cutting their wages in half!
BA cabin crew already get paid more than some pilots at other airlines!
They are a bunch of bullies who cannot accept that it's not the 70s any more. Everyone else at BA has come to an agreement to help the company trim up and get into shape to weather the coming years that will prove tough.
Even the management was thinned out. How often does that happen?!
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 10:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can only reiterate my feelings when I posted on last year's thread. What a bunch of twerps. No one will gain and in the long run some of these idiots will be made redundant. When they are there will be no sympathy from anyone. Talk about turkeys.................:(
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 11:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well there is clearly more to the issue than it just simply being about the travel benefits Bmused55...
The fact that BA cabin crew already get paid more than some pilots at other airlines is irrelevant to a certain extent. What other airlines choose to pay their staff is down to them, and its the choice of the people who choose to work for those other airlines as to whether they accept those wages and conditions!
The real question here is why on earth would people vote to go on strike, and choose to recieve "strike pay", which is far less than their usual wage if they didn't feel that the issue they were fighting for wasn't important enough?
And despite claiming that they [BA] will be able to operate all their long-haul flights, the cost of a fresh round of strikes and the damage done to their already tarnished reputation will do absolutely nothing to help BA's financial position, unless they have got another £150m or so to simply just throw away like last time...?
As I have said before in the previous thread on this topic, in my opinion, the main crux of the problem here is WW and his "union-bashing" antics which he has brought over from his days as CEO of Aer Lingus and has tried to implement at BA, and so far they have not worked!
All we can hope for now is that the new CEO of BA uses a bit more common sense and chooses to sit down, listen and negotiate in order to find an settlement to this dispute once and for all, which is at the end of the day in the interests of both parties invovled!
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 11:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
All we can hope for now is that the new CEO of BA uses a bit more common sense....
Yes, lets hope he sacks the troublemakers and returns BA to profitability and reliable service.
By: - 23rd January 2011 at 11:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes there is more than just travel perks,it,s about who runs the company ,BA management or the Unions
God Help BA and us all if the unions ever get control
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By: cloud_9 - 21st January 2011 at 23:26
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/BA-Strike-British-Airways-Cabin-Crew-Vote-In-Favour-Of-Fresh-Strikes-Unite-Confirms/Article/201101315902528?lpos=Business_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15902528_BA_Strike%3A_British_Airways_Cabin_Crew_Vote_In_Favour_Of_Fresh_Strikes%2C_Unite_Confirms
Deary me...even though the snow has gone, BA seriously do enjoy skating on thin ice; this has now become an ongoing embarrasment for BA and the country as a whole.