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By: 13th June 2011 at 23:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-In the Su-34, the front-mounted radar is supplemented by a rear-aspect V005 radar housed in the long tail "stinger".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-34#Cockpit_and_avionics
The modernized Su-35 was presented at the MAKS-2007 air show in August 2007. The new features of the aircraft include a reinforced airframe with a more extensive use of titanium alloys, thus increasing the airframes durability to some 30 years or 6,000 service hours,[19] a reduced radar signature from the front,[16] and an improved passive electronically scanned array radar. The aircraft featured many other upgrades to its avionics and electronic systems, including digital fly-by-wire and a rear-looking radar for firing Semi-Active Radar missiles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35
By: 13th June 2011 at 23:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I'm usually okay with getting things from Wikipedia, but when it's unconfirmed things that have a track record of being more ideas than serial components, I'd like some other sources.
I think the designation I've heard for the tail radar in both the Su-34 and 35 is N012.
Any truth to this? And is it on the serial aircraft?
By: 14th June 2011 at 00:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Nope. You cant thrust Wiki on this one.
Both the Su-35S and Su-34 do NOT have a rear facing radar.
The aft Spine/tail on Su-34 contain EW and jammer systems.
The old Su-37 on display had one, but it never made any deals so.. no rear radar.
The New Su-35S= N0035E or Irbis-E radar
Su-34= Leninets B005 Multimode Attack Radar phased array or The B004 multimode phased array attack radar.
By: 14th June 2011 at 00:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-That's what I needed to know. Thanks a lot.
And while we're on the subject, what are the differences in the Su-34's B005 and B004 radars?
By: 14th June 2011 at 00:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The old Su-37 on display had one, but it never made any deals so.. no rear radar.
Oh, did it ? Are there any photos of the instalation or at least the dielectric radome by any chance ? Thanks.:)
By: 14th June 2011 at 05:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Su-27K (1980 - 1985)
Radar
By: 14th June 2011 at 07:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I'm usually okay with getting things from Wikipedia, but when it's unconfirmed things that have a track record of being more ideas than serial components, I'd like some other sources.I think the designation I've heard for the tail radar in both the Su-34 and 35 is N012.
Any truth to this? And is it on the serial aircraft?
Good wiki's will have a whole list of open source references at the bottom. It should be fairly straightforward to assess the accuracy of a wiki on that basis. Just as one would to to assess and article in a professional journal. In that sense, it is folly to dismiss wiki outright.
By: 14th June 2011 at 07:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Nope. You cant thrust Wiki on this one.Both the Su-35S and Su-34 do NOT have a rear facing radar.
The aft Spine/tail on Su-34 contain EW and jammer systems.
The old Su-37 on display had one, but it never made any deals so.. no rear radar.The New Su-35S= N0035E or Irbis-E radar
Su-34= Leninets B005 Multimode Attack Radar phased array or The B004 multimode phased array attack radar.
That would seem (more) logical.
On the topic of trusting wiki and verifiable information: what (open) source is above based on? (It is rather strange / inconsistent to dismiss wiki because of 'unconfirmed things' and then accept a post from 'anybody on a forum' as true/confirmed.)
By: 14th June 2011 at 15:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Good wiki's will have a whole list of open source references at the bottom. It should be fairly straightforward to assess the accuracy of a wiki on that basis. Just as one would to to assess and article in a professional journal. In that sense, it is folly to dismiss wiki outright.
Your statement pulled from the Wiki page didn't have a source. I checked.
Like I said, usually Wiki is a very good source for information. But only when sourced. The statement on rear facing radars was not sourced and was labeled as [citation needed].
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And haavarla has a good track record from what I've seen.
By: 14th June 2011 at 19:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-There seems to be some kind of sensor array under the tail seen here.
The radar and EW system onboard the Su-34 is one of VVS most guarded secrets..
We know more about the Su-35S vs the Su-34..
So go figure.:)
By: 16th June 2011 at 08:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1760284&postcount=2
Wow , look at that.:eek: 712 seems to have a dielectric tip on the tail boom. Great find Paralay, many thanks.
By: 16th June 2011 at 15:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I didn't notice that at first. I was paying more attention to the bort number.
You've got a good eye.
This means that not only 711 had a rear facing radar (or at least, was prepared to have one installed), but 712 was also.
By: 16th June 2011 at 16:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The Su 34 looks a poorly built product (i mean't the finishing and looks not the capability), the Su 35s/FGFA/MIG 29K etc look much better.
By: 16th June 2011 at 21:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The Su 34 looks a poorly built product (i mean't the finishing and looks not the capability), the Su 35s/FGFA/MIG 29K etc look much better.
That photo is not one of the recently built serials.
By: 16th June 2011 at 23:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-That photo is not one of the recently built serials.
It is Bort 01 - from MAKS 2009....
A production example from the 4th TsBP i PLS - Aircrew Training Centre at Lipetsk.
Ken
By: 16th June 2011 at 23:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Right, but from what I have seen the newer airframes (for example the ones delivered in December 2010) look a lot tidier.
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By: CayceG - 13th June 2011 at 21:19
Sorry I couldn't find anything on this with the search function, but I was wondering about the rear facing radars we hear about from time to time. I'm not sure how mythical these things are, but I would like some clarification just for my information.
I was asked if the Su-35 was going to feature a rearward facing radar. I assumed that these rearward facing radars were 'folk tales' from the days of the Su-37 and trumped up capabilities.
But then I remembered that they moved the drag chute for the Su-35.
So is there a radar in the Su-35's tail stinger?
If so, do we know a designation?
Are the serial production models being delivered with these radars?
And are there any similar radars in the tail stingers of the Su-34?
Thanks.