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By: 29th September 2011 at 22:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-This is the WSJ (Japanese edition)
This is the WSJ (Japanese edition)
"....The revelation came at an awkward time for the Japanese carrier, just hours after the first of the new-generation Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliner jets on which it has built its future strategy finally landed in Tokyo on Wednesday, more than three years behind schedule.
The celebratory mood was quickly over as Shin Nagase, a senior executive vice president at ANA, apologized and bowed deeply in front of TV cameras at a news conference to apologize for the trouble caused by the incident, which took place Sept. 6....
....ANA said a 38-year-old co-pilot likely hit the rudder trim controls by mistake instead of pushing the door unlock button to let the captain in after he stepped out of the cockpit to go to the restroom.
Computer graphic images compiled by the safety board showed the plane turning almost upside down, but many passengers on board apparently did not realize the gravity of the situation, since it was already dark outside when the incident occurred at around 10:50 pm.
Investigators said the co-pilot was quite experienced, with more than 35,000 total hours of flight time. Nonetheless, according to investigators, the slip-up cause a roll and descent so violent that the jet exceeded certain maximum allowable speeds and also was subjected to stresses beyond its acceleration limits...."
You may want to look at these graphics as they are quite interesting to say the least -
http://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/video/JA16AN-movie1.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCm5kW4jzx0&
Boeing more than likely test flew the 787 to these or more severe limits if not ANA may do it for them unconsciously of course. Well customer feedback to Boeing takes all forms and incidents.;)
By: 29th September 2011 at 22:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I shall look out for that one on the Discovery Channel. :eek:
By: 29th September 2011 at 22:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The 38 year old FO had more than 35,000 flying hours...somehow I don't think so!
By: 29th September 2011 at 23:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-It was China Airlines that flipped a Boeing 747 and it survived with all souls
It was China Airlines that completely flipped a Boeing 747 and it survived with all souls on board. Amazing but true,
A lot of coffee and other Chinese food would have made passengers look as if they'd been through a dumpster but otherwise they survived. Probably they still wake up at night :eek::eek::eek:
Here is part 1 of that horror - you'l find the rest if you search using Google
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_uUgOfBkDM
I'd say it put a whole new meaning on "Would you like your coffee in you or on you?" or "How do you wear your coffee white or brown?"
Says something for Boeing aircraft though.:)
By: 29th September 2011 at 23:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I think it includes his personal hours on a Pitts Special I guess
The 38 year old FO had more than 35,000 flying hours...somehow I don't think so!
It does say Total flying hours - I guess many of those hours are in his own Pitts Special:rolleyes:
By: 29th September 2011 at 23:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Probable cause - Bad auditing:D
By: 29th September 2011 at 23:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I must say that it must have been a scary ride!!! Yikes!!!
By: 29th September 2011 at 23:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Hiya Flightmech - no I shall not rise to that one
Probable cause - Bad auditing:D
Hiya Flightmech - no I shall not rise to that one:)
By: 29th September 2011 at 23:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Grandfather of FO probably a Kamikaze pilot whose son passed on the stories
I must say that it must have been a scary ride!!! Yikes!!!
Grandfather of FO probably a Kamikaze pilot whose son passed on the stories of his death in the name of Imperial Japan and grandson FO decided he would see how he got on trying what he does in his Pitts Special in a 737.
If the Captain hadn't returned from the 'John' maybe we would have seen a carbon copy of China Airlines B747. Inverted flying of a 737 like a Pitts.:cool:
Great testing to near destruction for Boeing without risking their own test pilots.:D
By: 29th September 2011 at 23:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Hiya Flightmech - no I shall not rise to that one:)
:):D
By: 30th September 2011 at 08:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-It was China Airlines that completely flipped a Boeing 747 and it survived with all souls on board. Amazing but true,
Didn't said manoeuvre permanently add 2 degrees to the dihedral angle of the wings?
That 747 also went supersonic!
By: 30th September 2011 at 09:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The 747 was badly damaged after a 5g pull-out - not sure it went supersonic though. All for the want of an engine failure.
By: 30th September 2011 at 10:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Still a testament to how tough those 747s were/are built.
The engine failure may have be the beginning of the chain, but the crew's apathetic response to it and failure to trim the plane out caused their aerobatic excursion.
The crew redeemed themselves however by remaining calm and getting it back under control.
By: 30th September 2011 at 16:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-DC-8 went supersonic once didn't it?
By: 30th September 2011 at 18:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I know that the CV-990 did, on more than one occasion.
By: 30th September 2011 at 19:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Lance thank you for reminding us about a now 'extinct' aircraft
Lance thank you for reminding us about a now 'extinct' aircraft:)
This is slightly off thread but if this video is accurate then it states that there were only 37 built which carried the name Convair.
Anyone watching may wish to get a box of tissues when watching-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUBNHWuomU&NR=1:o
By: 1st October 2011 at 00:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I think you meant "Coronado" rather than "Convair".
Convair was the manufacturer.
The Coronado was the fastest airliner in the world until the advent of the SSTs.
By: 1st October 2011 at 11:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-" Ah So Greenhopper " All buttons look the same to me !!!!!!!
By: 11th October 2011 at 07:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-http://www.ottawacitizen.com/travel/story.html?id=5477097
Besides everything else it sure is a switchology F.U.
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By: fulcrum-aholic - 29th September 2011 at 21:32
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/travel/story.html?id=5477097