Percival Q6 G-AFFD

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Anybody have any idea what is happening to FD? G-INFO states registration cancelled by the CAA as of 14/03/2012, also that the owner is sadly deceased.

If only my lottery numbers would come up............

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Last noted at Seething January 2012. No restoration work seems to have been done on it since early 2010.

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Thanks - that ties in with what I have heard. Poor thing seems destined to suffer from permanent restoration but no completion.

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Beautiful aircraft, let's hope that one day it will be completed and maybe flying.

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The previous owner did pass-away some time ago. It was brought back from the IOM to the mainland several years ago, and is under rebuild to fly. New wings being built. Time consuming. Patience. :)

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I thought new wings had already been built for her. Mind you that would be a few years ago now and they might be due for restoration themselves!

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Think the "patient" should be transferred to the "Percival Hospital" at Gt. Oakley!! Recovery to an airworthy state would be likely to occur in the capable hands of the "doctors" there !!! Known to be carrying out excellent therapeutic work on other Percivals.

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Tried to buy it when it was on the IoM but no luck. Would be open to swapping it for an airworthy Dragon though.It would go well with the Proctor and (God willing that I live long enough) with the Mew replica I am gathering materials and bits for.
Yeah!Right! Dream on buddy.

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It would make a great addition to the Shuttleworth Collection. What we need is someone rich and generous enough to buy it for them.

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Sideslip has the right idea in my book, although our rich and generous benefactor needs to donate a completed and airworthy plane! I am very generous when it comes to hypothetical other peoples money!

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I nearly bought it many years ago... but it went to IoM instead!

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Maybe whoever owns it and, based upon what has been said, is pursuing its restoration, whatever the pace of that may be, does not wish to part with it to the Shuttleworth Trust or a wealthy person or anyone else. Perhaps too many on this forum are very quick to tell other people what, in their opinion, those others should do with their property!

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Have to agree with that AA, rather the thought of someone really enthusiastic and dedicated working on the project, even if of comparitively limited means.
Didn't someone involved with the Q6 post here, or is that my imagination?

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Twas said purely tongue in cheek AA. I'm sure whoever has it will do as they please. I know I would if I were to be so lucky!;)

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Restoration still ongoing in UK.

Beleive it or not, I found some of her missing log books about 5 years ago ...on ebay from about 39- c1950s.... :) they are now with the aeroplane....where they belong...

ATB

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Don't you think they've got enough on their hands sorting out the currently-unflyable Wildcat which somebody was rich and generous enough to buy for them?

Of course there is no guarantee they would want it, but if they did, my view would be, even if we had to wait another 10 years for it to fly, it would be well worth the wait.

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Maybe whoever owns it and, based upon what has been said, is pursuing its restoration, whatever the pace of that may be, does not wish to part with it to the Shuttleworth Trust or a wealthy person or anyone else. Perhaps too many on this forum are very quick to tell other people what, in their opinion, those others should do with their property!

I don't think anyone is telling other people what to do with their property. Its just a bit of harmless wishful thinking.

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I don't think anyone is telling other people what to do with their property. Its just a bit of harmless wishful thinking.

Have to say I agree with you, Sideslip. When considering items that have a heritage value as well as a financial value, ownership does not, in my view, confer absolute rights. As an example if you own a listed building, you do not have the right to raze it to the ground and build a block of flats without some consultation.

In many ways those who own items with a heritage value are merely custodians for a period. I have certainly spoken to the owners of several historic a/c (and cars) who take that view.

To my mind there is deal of difference between owning as mass produced item and one that has historic and heritage significance. You can do what you want with your 2012 car or plane but if it is an iconic 1930s British aeroplane do expect others be interested in it and its future.

Well that is my five pen'eth...........

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Here we go again....

Of course AA is spot-on at post 13. Planemike, however, his allowing his simplistic example to confound him.
There is no evidence whatever that owners are acting to "...raze it to the ground and build a block of flats'. (If there is, state examples....????) All the evidence is to the contrary...or we'd have no airshows to go to...:p Why would they...? Owners have not only invested money, but often, years of toil...so - it's an illogical example.
As for the "..without some consultation." ..... Hasn't this rubbish been chewed over ad nauseam already recently....? What do you want..? Owners and restorers to apply to you for 'planning permission'....?????????? :rolleyes: Pulease.
Yes, owners are (Obviously..) custodians, but they are also the 'doers'. Without their effort there would be nothing to conserve or for others to pontificate upon. These things do not happen in a vacuum, nor do posts on the internet fund them.
Ownership does in fact confer 'absolute rights', much as this may not fit into the anoraks view of an ideal world. Don't confuse 'interest' and 'rights';-The former is free, the latter one has to pay for. They're about as similar as vindaloo and congee. :).
I often detect a certain tetchyness, that certain folks feel that they should not only be kept informed, but even 'consulted'.... - that many projects are kept 'secret'. It's something of a Curates Egg of course...:rolleyes: (I wonder why...!).
Frankly, if restorers had to apply to the www audience for approval (As well as the CAA etc.) for every screw and rivet, there'd be no flying and no bandwidth left....:).
To return to the original posters point, as we should. I'm sure the a/c's in safe hands.
Why presume just because little's been heard, - that littles been done...? :) "It's illogical Jim"....:)

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Snoopy............

You have deliberately chosen to misinterpret what I said but that I guess is you right. You of course have that right for free (no charge).....!!

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Percival Q-6 G-AFFD

Might be a good idea to put the record straight.

The aircraft has been stored in the dry and has had restoration work carried out, at a far slower pace than would have been liked but money has to be earned first before it can be spent. The outer wing panels produced over 18 years ago, have been manufactured without the use of drawings and due to this have a major structural flaw in the main-spar which will most likely mean these will never be certified to fly. Other renovation works completed have also been found to have flaws but many have now been repaired.

The good news - An almost complete set of original drawings have been found and purchased (about 4 years ago and at a cost of £4500), some of the original log-books have been found.

PLEASE those that are quick to find fault remember it is not YOUR aircraft, you are not storing it at your expense, you are not funding the restoration - currently close to £25K.

If you feel so strongly then offer some (free) labour to help this project along - it will be welcomed and appreciated. See you at Seething.