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By: Bruce - 20th April 2012 at 20:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hey, I'm out of practice!
Yes, I know which one now!
Bruce
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By: David Burke - 20th April 2012 at 20:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
People are working on the basis that the first few pictures are fake -however if they are it still doesnt explain where the P-40 cockpit is !
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By: danjama - 20th April 2012 at 20:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why are people so certain that 1,2, and 3 are fake? They all look bloody obviously real to me!! Digital, too, IMO, probably from a compact. It seems to have struggled to expose correctly due to the bright sky contrasting with the dull foreground.
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By: Dobbins - 20th April 2012 at 20:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I don't get it. Even if he has more photos, those are an odd choice of five to post.
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By: Bruce - 20th April 2012 at 20:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Over on Wix, Pic 3 has been sharpened up. Looks much more believable now!
Bruce
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By: Airfixtwin - 20th April 2012 at 20:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some more desert wrecks for comparison.
http://www.dunes.it/sahara_aviation_safety/index.htm
If it is real, and is recovered, do we favour a restoration or do we leave it as is?
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By: Dobbins - 20th April 2012 at 20:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Leave as it is. Do not do a 50/50 job like Duxford's 109!
The enhanced photo on wix does look a lot better though I'm still not totally convinced.
There's speculation on another forum that it could be a film set. Anyone?
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By: danjama - 20th April 2012 at 20:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It makes me laugh how people over ta WIX have blown up the tail section from the long distance photo, and theyre surprised to see artefacts around the tail :rolleyes:
Personally, I would also have taken and posted the long distance photos. They add authenticity and believability to the photos, by showing the surrounding environment and approach.
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By: Stepwilk - 20th April 2012 at 21:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If so, they know little about serious scale modeling, and what knowledge they do have probably extends about as far as the $19.95 plastic-toy kits that are top-of-the-line in Walmarts. And of course some of the best scale modelers don't even use kits; they scratchbuild.
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By: Dobbins - 20th April 2012 at 21:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Photos 3 and 4 look far too contrived and posed
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By: TempestNut - 20th April 2012 at 21:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Exactly; and as I pointed out on page 1 As a photographer the photo's are exactly what I would expect to see from the processed output of a compact, or even a consumer DSLR from a few years back.
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By: AWOT - 20th April 2012 at 21:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Model or not that is the question
Hi
Awot is me :-) My nickname does not mean A Waste Of Time. Is the name of my motorcycle AWO-425T http://www.film-autos.com/fundus/fahrzeug/index.php?fz_id=259
In a few days I get a few other pictures of the P-40. This is not a model. It's a real plane! Believe !!!
Raphael
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By: Bruce - 20th April 2012 at 22:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Welcome to our world Raphael.
We would all love it to be true, and I am sure all look forward to more pictures!
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By: mackerel - 20th April 2012 at 22:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well serial no ends in 8 !
Steve
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By: Peter - 20th April 2012 at 22:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Welcome to the forum Raphael! Looking forward to more pictures of this unique find! You do realise that until you post more pics, you have dozens of folks eagerly watching the thread sipping cofffee or other harder drink types in anticipation!
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By: brewerjerry - 20th April 2012 at 22:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi Raphael,
Welcome to the board and please prove my mind wrong.
cheers
Jerry
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By: Dave Homewood - 20th April 2012 at 22:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
People refuse to believe it's real because you cannot see the bloody shark's mouth!! :D
Perhaps the photographer did not slide back the canopy and hop into the cockpit as everyone seems to be debating, he may have stuck the camera through the small opening such as a broken canopy panel?
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By: Ian Hunt - 20th April 2012 at 22:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Fake?
OK then. For the P40 experts (that's not me, by the way) ...
What part of the a/c is shown in Pic 4? Port fuselage side?
If that's a lifted-up hatch in the position where the fuselage roundel (?) is, isn't it odd that there seems to be no opening visible behind it? And was there a hatch in the side of the P40 in the position where the roundel was usually painted? Above the wing trailing edge fairing?
Secondly, what's that funny white-ish thing at the top left-hand corner which looks like broken plastic?
Ian
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By: Dobbins - 20th April 2012 at 23:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The hatch looks to be in the correct place, but yes it is odd that there is nothing visible behind it.
The white broken plastic is the perspex from behind the canopy which has crazed and broken, presumably with heat.
Good reference pic here:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eqb8qL2GKZc/S9cdaDH_5KI/AAAAAAAADz8/UCgBbp7nCtY/s1600/Curtiss_P-40K_Kittyhawk.jpg
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By: SimonDav - 20th April 2012 at 23:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think the fuselage was twisted slightly during landing, which probably caused the hatch to spring open, and because its out of true and at an angle you can't see the opening behind it.