RuAF News and Development Thread part 11

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Thats why the Su-34 program took forever, not because of its complexity or size.

Its not a very large or demanding program.

So, what is it, large and complex or NOT large and complex?

Because i reacted to you saying that it is NOT complex. Also, it is shmuck (or schmuck), get it right fool. :D

I am perfectly aware the program got **** all funding but =/= equal to it NOT being complex.

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PS: Any news of when the Su-35S's from KnAAPO will be transferred to Akhtubinsk? ( i suspect those that are already there -3 or 4?- count against the 6)

Yeah, i read some days ago about it; Going by memory, due to be transfered to Akhtu by the end of the week, 6 of them. Silly to say it is 6 of them tho, considering S-1 til S-4 are already there. Unless KnAAPO has built S-8, S-9 and S-10. But so far only seen confirmation of bort numbers up to and including 07 (S-7).

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Su-30MKI
for the Russian Air Force - 1.2 billion rubles / $ 40 million
for the Indian Air Force - 2.6 billion rubles / $ 87 million

Su-34
Russian Air Force to 0.9 - 1.1 billion rubles / $ 37 million

Actually the last contract that was signed was for half the value you are quoting, at around $40 mil each. There was a separate contract for engines so I think that might not have been included in the $40 mil. The last flyaway cost quoted for a 'made in India' Su-30 was around $50-$60 mil late 2011. http://www.icast.org.in/news/2011/nov11/nov02ia.pdf

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Yeah, i read some days ago about it; Going by memory, due to be transfered to Akhtu by the end of the week, 6 of them. Silly to say it is 6 of them tho, considering S-1 til S-4 are already there. Unless KnAAPO has built S-8, S-9 and S-10. But so far only seen confirmation of bort numbers up to and including 07 (S-7).

http://function.mil.ru/for_media/events/details.htm?id=2077@morfSimpleEvent

Apparently it should happen on the 28th (Monday) . Still not clear if it's 6 being flown from KnAAPO or 6 formally induced (with 3-bort 05 , 06, 07 red?- to come from KnAAPO). Since at the moment there are at least SEVEN Su-35S, perhaps 01 black will not be transferred to VVS and will be retained as a dogship, since it's fairly non-standard.

PS: Oh, great to see the new Hellducks arriving at Voronezh. How many are in service now again , 25?

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http://function.mil.ru/for_media/events/details.htm?id=2077@morfSimpleEvent

Apparently it should happen on the 28th (Monday) . Still not clear if it's 6 being flown from KnAAPO or 6 formally induced (with 3-bort 05 , 06, 07 red?- to come from KnAAPO). Since at the moment there are at least SEVEN Su-35S, perhaps 01 black will not be transferred to VVS and will be retained as a dogship, since it's fairly non-standard.

PS: Oh, great to see the new Hellducks arriving at Voronezh. How many are in service now again , 25?

Ah here we go, maybe the news i read said Monday. Cool that they are inviting to Akhtu, very few spotters there, hence why i dont look forward to T-50 being transfered to there...

And yes, there is some confusion about what they actually mean with those 6 fighters. As i said, four of them are in GLITs already, so if 6 newly built Su-35S arrive from KnAAPO it will be... surprising. If not, S-1 is the biggest candidate to not be induced indeed.

Yup, 25 is correct although first one is not flying anymore i think.

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I don't think I've seen the Indian MiG-29UPG with Kh-31s before:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/India---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29UPG/2218049/L/

Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!

Neither do i, since that's a H-35 ( or westernized, Kh-35 ).:p Most likely it was not taken during the show, or taken in area with not alot of access.

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Most likely it was not taken during the show, or taken in area with not alot of access.

According to the info on the photo it was taken at MAKS on Friday 19 August 2011.

It was taken from the south side of the runway - from about where I was on the Saturday - but it didn't show on that day :mad:

I was also there on the Thursday - and photographed the 'museum' aircraft that you can see in the background of the MiG-29 photo.....

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/moscow_2011_files/day1_047.JPG

Note also the row of public toilets behind the MiG.

I wonder why it only made one appearance - when I wasn't there!!!

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That is less than half of them. :) Hopefully next year we will see the in the original camo, but with new stars... (back to pre 1943 it is)

PS: Still no such thing as "Mig". /Namenazi.

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What will be difference between today's star and the future one (like pre 1943), no white outline ?

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What will be difference between today's star and the future one (like pre 1943), no white outline ?

Yeah, pre '43 it was just plain red.

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Note the KAB on Hellduck 12.

http://dmitrydreamer.livejournal.com/40237.html

More great pics.

I spent 10 minutes looking for a KAB in the link above - and wondered what you were talking about.... :confused:

Then I realised you meant Hellduck 12 in the photo in post #311 :cool:

Confused of Malmesbury.....

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Note the KAB on Hellduck 12.

Guided weapons. Yay!

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I don't think I've seen the Indian MiG-29UPG with Kh-31s before:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/India---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29UPG/2218049/L/

Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!

That is definitely a new one.