By: Berkut
- 24th January 2013 at 22:20Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thats why the Su-34 program took forever, not because of its complexity or size.
Its not a very large or demanding program.
So, what is it, large and complex or NOT large and complex?
Because i reacted to you saying that it is NOT complex. Also, it is shmuck (or schmuck), get it right fool. :D
I am perfectly aware the program got **** all funding but =/= equal to it NOT being complex.
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By: Berkut
- 24th January 2013 at 22:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
PS: Any news of when the Su-35S's from KnAAPO will be transferred to Akhtubinsk? ( i suspect those that are already there -3 or 4?- count against the 6)
Yeah, i read some days ago about it; Going by memory, due to be transfered to Akhtu by the end of the week, 6 of them. Silly to say it is 6 of them tho, considering S-1 til S-4 are already there. Unless KnAAPO has built S-8, S-9 and S-10. But so far only seen confirmation of bort numbers up to and including 07 (S-7).
By: Twinblade
- 25th January 2013 at 02:39Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Su-30MKI
for the Russian Air Force - 1.2 billion rubles / $ 40 million
for the Indian Air Force - 2.6 billion rubles / $ 87 million
Su-34
Russian Air Force to 0.9 - 1.1 billion rubles / $ 37 million
Actually the last contract that was signed was for half the value you are quoting, at around $40 mil each. There was a separate contract for engines so I think that might not have been included in the $40 mil. The last flyaway cost quoted for a 'made in India' Su-30 was around $50-$60 mil late 2011. http://www.icast.org.in/news/2011/nov11/nov02ia.pdf
By: mack8
- 25th January 2013 at 18:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah, i read some days ago about it; Going by memory, due to be transfered to Akhtu by the end of the week, 6 of them. Silly to say it is 6 of them tho, considering S-1 til S-4 are already there. Unless KnAAPO has built S-8, S-9 and S-10. But so far only seen confirmation of bort numbers up to and including 07 (S-7).
Apparently it should happen on the 28th (Monday) . Still not clear if it's 6 being flown from KnAAPO or 6 formally induced (with 3-bort 05 , 06, 07 red?- to come from KnAAPO). Since at the moment there are at least SEVEN Su-35S, perhaps 01 black will not be transferred to VVS and will be retained as a dogship, since it's fairly non-standard.
PS: Oh, great to see the new Hellducks arriving at Voronezh. How many are in service now again , 25?
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By: Berkut
- 25th January 2013 at 19:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Apparently it should happen on the 28th (Monday) . Still not clear if it's 6 being flown from KnAAPO or 6 formally induced (with 3-bort 05 , 06, 07 red?- to come from KnAAPO). Since at the moment there are at least SEVEN Su-35S, perhaps 01 black will not be transferred to VVS and will be retained as a dogship, since it's fairly non-standard.
PS: Oh, great to see the new Hellducks arriving at Voronezh. How many are in service now again , 25?
Ah here we go, maybe the news i read said Monday. Cool that they are inviting to Akhtu, very few spotters there, hence why i dont look forward to T-50 being transfered to there...
And yes, there is some confusion about what they actually mean with those 6 fighters. As i said, four of them are in GLITs already, so if 6 newly built Su-35S arrive from KnAAPO it will be... surprising. If not, S-1 is the biggest candidate to not be induced indeed.
Yup, 25 is correct although first one is not flying anymore i think.
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By: Anonymous
- 25th January 2013 at 21:33Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
I don't think I've seen the Indian MiG-29UPG with Kh-31s before:
Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!
Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!
Neither do i, since that's a H-35 ( or westernized, Kh-35 ).:p Most likely it was not taken during the show, or taken in area with not alot of access.
Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!
That is definitely a new one.
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By: Berkut
- 27th January 2013 at 13:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It either flew several times during the show.
I have several shots of it from MAKS 11 without Kh-35. Knew i had seen it with it before:
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By: Berkut - 24th January 2013 at 22:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So, what is it, large and complex or NOT large and complex?
Because i reacted to you saying that it is NOT complex. Also, it is shmuck (or schmuck), get it right fool. :D
I am perfectly aware the program got **** all funding but =/= equal to it NOT being complex.
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By: Berkut - 24th January 2013 at 22:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah, i read some days ago about it; Going by memory, due to be transfered to Akhtu by the end of the week, 6 of them. Silly to say it is 6 of them tho, considering S-1 til S-4 are already there. Unless KnAAPO has built S-8, S-9 and S-10. But so far only seen confirmation of bort numbers up to and including 07 (S-7).
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By: Twinblade - 25th January 2013 at 02:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Actually the last contract that was signed was for half the value you are quoting, at around $40 mil each. There was a separate contract for engines so I think that might not have been included in the $40 mil. The last flyaway cost quoted for a 'made in India' Su-30 was around $50-$60 mil late 2011. http://www.icast.org.in/news/2011/nov11/nov02ia.pdf
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By: Bellum - 25th January 2013 at 15:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
23
24&25
26
27
http://russianplanes.net/id95863
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By: mack8 - 25th January 2013 at 18:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://function.mil.ru/for_media/events/details.htm?id=2077@morfSimpleEvent
Apparently it should happen on the 28th (Monday) . Still not clear if it's 6 being flown from KnAAPO or 6 formally induced (with 3-bort 05 , 06, 07 red?- to come from KnAAPO). Since at the moment there are at least SEVEN Su-35S, perhaps 01 black will not be transferred to VVS and will be retained as a dogship, since it's fairly non-standard.
PS: Oh, great to see the new Hellducks arriving at Voronezh. How many are in service now again , 25?
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By: Berkut - 25th January 2013 at 19:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ah here we go, maybe the news i read said Monday. Cool that they are inviting to Akhtu, very few spotters there, hence why i dont look forward to T-50 being transfered to there...
And yes, there is some confusion about what they actually mean with those 6 fighters. As i said, four of them are in GLITs already, so if 6 newly built Su-35S arrive from KnAAPO it will be... surprising. If not, S-1 is the biggest candidate to not be induced indeed.
Yup, 25 is correct although first one is not flying anymore i think.
By: Anonymous - 25th January 2013 at 21:33 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
I don't think I've seen the Indian MiG-29UPG with Kh-31s before:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/India---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29UPG/2218049/L/
Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!
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By: mack8 - 25th January 2013 at 21:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Neither do i, since that's a H-35 ( or westernized, Kh-35 ).:p Most likely it was not taken during the show, or taken in area with not alot of access.
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By: Flanker_man - 25th January 2013 at 23:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
According to the info on the photo it was taken at MAKS on Friday 19 August 2011.
It was taken from the south side of the runway - from about where I was on the Saturday - but it didn't show on that day :mad:
I was also there on the Thursday - and photographed the 'museum' aircraft that you can see in the background of the MiG-29 photo.....
Note also the row of public toilets behind the MiG.
I wonder why it only made one appearance - when I wasn't there!!!
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By: ha27 - 26th January 2013 at 20:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
no comment
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By: haavarla - 26th January 2013 at 22:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Three more Mig-31BM Delivered.
Interesting read about the upgrade, but no details though.
http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2013/1/25/1481/
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By: Berkut - 27th January 2013 at 00:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is less than half of them. :) Hopefully next year we will see the in the original camo, but with new stars... (back to pre 1943 it is)
PS: Still no such thing as "Mig". /Namenazi.
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By: mack8 - 27th January 2013 at 00:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What will be difference between today's star and the future one (like pre 1943), no white outline ?
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 27th January 2013 at 01:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah, pre '43 it was just plain red.
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By: TR1 - 27th January 2013 at 03:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Note the KAB on Hellduck 12.
http://dmitrydreamer.livejournal.com/40237.html
More great pics.
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By: Flanker_man - 27th January 2013 at 10:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I spent 10 minutes looking for a KAB in the link above - and wondered what you were talking about.... :confused:
Then I realised you meant Hellduck 12 in the photo in post #311 :cool:
Confused of Malmesbury.....
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By: ink - 27th January 2013 at 11:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Guided weapons. Yay!
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By: Twinblade - 27th January 2013 at 11:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is definitely a new one.
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By: Berkut - 27th January 2013 at 13:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It either flew several times during the show.
I have several shots of it from MAKS 11 without Kh-35. Knew i had seen it with it before:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/India---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29UPG-%289-20%29/2024627/L/&sid=c66f32786a9d66c0525a97f6c91c08ef
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By: TR1 - 27th January 2013 at 21:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=76478&d=1359223492
Another angle of the photo. Apparently the Hellduck next to 12 also has a KAB-500Kr.