By: Planemike
- 11th November 2013 at 18:41Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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The aircraft will be painted in a military colour scheme but not sure which one yet as it appears the aircraft was painted in three different schemes.
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I have no comprehension as to how anyone could paint a definitive British civil aircraft in a military colour scheme .
Ron Souch
Aero Antiques
Have to say that was my reaction too. I decided to desist from comment as I feared I would be pilloried by the "warbird" community from this forum.
G-AFFD was delivered in 1938 as a civilian aircraft and only succumbed to a military career due to impressment. It returned to civilian use in 1946 and flew until 1952.
I could perhaps understand selecting a military scheme had the aircraft been on of the seven that were ordered and delivered as military aircraft: P5634 - P5640. None of them has survived.
By: herbert85
- 11th November 2013 at 19:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi All
It's easy for me to decide that a military colour scheme is appropriate. The aircraft served from early 1940 until the end of hostilities at Hendon with 510 Sqd. For those who may wish to research the colour scheme it wore it may become apparent that the colours indicate it was also used in the VIP role which included the Royal family.
then in final consideration and in my opinion it will look far more visual (and stunning). Now for those who do not like, pity but when it is yours you may do what you like. Until then accept. For consideration G-AKRP was built under military contract but was painted in a period civil scheme following rebuild.
"He who pays the piper calls the tune":highly_amused:
By: HP81
- 11th November 2013 at 19:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is a wonderful project, that is really starting to take shape, congratulations to everyone concerned.
I agree with the last 2 posts, it does seem a shame to paint it in military colours. However those who have spent a considerable amount of time and money on this project should paint in whatever colours they like. Having a Q6 to see and enjoy should be enough for the rest of us.
By: pogno
- 11th November 2013 at 20:10Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Paint it however you like, it will be stunning whatever colour it it, Iv'e been waiting too many moons since seeing it in the hangar at Redhill to be fussy now.
Although on second thoughts anything involving Red Bull or Mr Blobby might jar a bit.
I hope the outstanding work proceeds smoothly
By: SADSACK
- 11th November 2013 at 20:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The most important thing is that it will be back in the air. We may not all agree on colours but surely we can all agree with that :)
totally agree, well done to everyone over the last 4 decades that has ensured anyone will ever see this lovely a/c fly again - I would certainly pay good money for a flight in her, should the chance ever occur ie classic wings, classic air force...
By: ozplane
- 12th November 2013 at 10:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You and me both SadSack. It would be very tricky at the moment under current CAA rules but a new head of GA has been appointed and it is rumoured that there may be some relaxation/modification of the rules in future
By: Snoopy7422
- 12th November 2013 at 11:25Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Any authentic scheme is great. Hard to see why that should exercise anyone. It does highlight a more general conundrum for owners with old machines that may have had a relatively long working life, namely, just at what point in time/development, is best recreated during restoration...? There is no 'correct' answer. The simplest is the 'as built' condition, but then, the specific interest may be more focused on a later point in time after many (Sometimes considerable) modifications have taken place.
All kudos to Rex for taking on such a big project, long absent from the aviation community.
By: Snoopy7422
- 12th November 2013 at 12:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not so. If I would in my current project, it would not be allowed to fly at all.
Technically, that may be so, but I was referring, rather, to the conceptual state of the a/c. It's a given that some mods cannot be reversed for airworthiness reasons.
By: Planemike
- 12th November 2013 at 13:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You and me both SadSack. It would be very tricky at the moment under current CAA rules but a new head of GA has been appointed and it is rumoured that there may be some relaxation/modification of the rules in future
By: Tango Charlie
- 12th November 2013 at 14:36Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great news indeed, a fine looking machine, one that is much awaited in the sky regardless of final scheme. With all this Percival activity in East Anglia its time I posted an update on Proctor 3 and her rebuild, watch this space.
By: SADSACK
- 13th November 2013 at 10:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What is the current state of play regarding these rules which bar us from flying in Dakotas etc? I know you can fly in a Dragon Rapide, what makes flying in a Q6 different?
By: mike currill
- 13th November 2013 at 10:57Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Am I correct in thinking this is the last remaining Q6? I remember as a young lad seeing one of these when it visited Kidlington. I took no notice of the reg at the time so for all I know it may have been this one. A lovely looking machine. My best wishes to the restoration crew and I hope to live long enough to see her airborne. I know it takes as long as it takes but I am a patient man.
A photo of 'FFD during one of the restoration efforts. The base colour would appear to be silver? Impressed into the RAF as X9407, sold after the war as G-AIEY and was not a part of the Kings Flight. Originally bought by Sir Philip Sassoon.
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By: Arm Waver - 10th November 2013 at 21:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
She is beautiful (as I said on the other thread on this lovely machine.;) )
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By: G-ORDY - 11th November 2013 at 11:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
As I posted on the other thread ...
Merge these two Mods?
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By: civil aero - 11th November 2013 at 16:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[QUOTE=herbert85;2082504]
The aircraft will be painted in a military colour scheme but not sure which one yet as it appears the aircraft was painted in three different schemes.
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I have no comprehension as to how anyone could paint a definitive British civil aircraft in a military colour scheme .
Ron Souch
Aero Antiques
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By: Planemike - 11th November 2013 at 18:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[QUOTE=civil aero;2086806]
Have to say that was my reaction too. I decided to desist from comment as I feared I would be pilloried by the "warbird" community from this forum.
G-AFFD was delivered in 1938 as a civilian aircraft and only succumbed to a military career due to impressment. It returned to civilian use in 1946 and flew until 1952.
I could perhaps understand selecting a military scheme had the aircraft been on of the seven that were ordered and delivered as military aircraft: P5634 - P5640. None of them has survived.
Planemike
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By: herbert85 - 11th November 2013 at 19:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi All
It's easy for me to decide that a military colour scheme is appropriate. The aircraft served from early 1940 until the end of hostilities at Hendon with 510 Sqd. For those who may wish to research the colour scheme it wore it may become apparent that the colours indicate it was also used in the VIP role which included the Royal family.
then in final consideration and in my opinion it will look far more visual (and stunning). Now for those who do not like, pity but when it is yours you may do what you like. Until then accept. For consideration G-AKRP was built under military contract but was painted in a period civil scheme following rebuild.
"He who pays the piper calls the tune":highly_amused:
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By: HP81 - 11th November 2013 at 19:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is a wonderful project, that is really starting to take shape, congratulations to everyone concerned.
I agree with the last 2 posts, it does seem a shame to paint it in military colours. However those who have spent a considerable amount of time and money on this project should paint in whatever colours they like. Having a Q6 to see and enjoy should be enough for the rest of us.
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By: Planemike - 11th November 2013 at 19:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Certainly very true.........!!! Congratulations on what you are achieving. Certainly looking forward to seeing a unique aircraft back in the air.
Planemike
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By: pogno - 11th November 2013 at 20:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Paint it however you like, it will be stunning whatever colour it it, Iv'e been waiting too many moons since seeing it in the hangar at Redhill to be fussy now.
Although on second thoughts anything involving Red Bull or Mr Blobby might jar a bit.
I hope the outstanding work proceeds smoothly
Richard
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By: Mothminor - 11th November 2013 at 20:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The most important thing is that it will be back in the air. We may not all agree on colours but surely we can all agree with that :)
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By: SADSACK - 11th November 2013 at 20:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
totally agree, well done to everyone over the last 4 decades that has ensured anyone will ever see this lovely a/c fly again - I would certainly pay good money for a flight in her, should the chance ever occur ie classic wings, classic air force...
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By: ozplane - 12th November 2013 at 10:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You and me both SadSack. It would be very tricky at the moment under current CAA rules but a new head of GA has been appointed and it is rumoured that there may be some relaxation/modification of the rules in future
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By: Snoopy7422 - 12th November 2013 at 11:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Any authentic scheme is great. Hard to see why that should exercise anyone. It does highlight a more general conundrum for owners with old machines that may have had a relatively long working life, namely, just at what point in time/development, is best recreated during restoration...? There is no 'correct' answer. The simplest is the 'as built' condition, but then, the specific interest may be more focused on a later point in time after many (Sometimes considerable) modifications have taken place.
All kudos to Rex for taking on such a big project, long absent from the aviation community.
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By: ericmunk - 12th November 2013 at 12:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not so. If I would in my current project, it would not be allowed to fly at all.
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By: Snoopy7422 - 12th November 2013 at 12:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Technically, that may be so, but I was referring, rather, to the conceptual state of the a/c. It's a given that some mods cannot be reversed for airworthiness reasons.
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By: Planemike - 12th November 2013 at 13:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hey guys, save me a place please !!!!!
Planemike
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By: Tango Charlie - 12th November 2013 at 14:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great news indeed, a fine looking machine, one that is much awaited in the sky regardless of final scheme. With all this Percival activity in East Anglia its time I posted an update on Proctor 3 and her rebuild, watch this space.
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By: SADSACK - 13th November 2013 at 10:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What is the current state of play regarding these rules which bar us from flying in Dakotas etc? I know you can fly in a Dragon Rapide, what makes flying in a Q6 different?
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By: mike currill - 13th November 2013 at 10:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Am I correct in thinking this is the last remaining Q6? I remember as a young lad seeing one of these when it visited Kidlington. I took no notice of the reg at the time so for all I know it may have been this one. A lovely looking machine. My best wishes to the restoration crew and I hope to live long enough to see her airborne. I know it takes as long as it takes but I am a patient man.
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By: SADSACK - 13th November 2013 at 12:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I curious as to her VIP colours. What were they? Was she part of the Kings Flight? She will look amazing if so...
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By: Newforest - 13th November 2013 at 14:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Percival-P-16-Q-6/2111986/L/
A photo of 'FFD during one of the restoration efforts. The base colour would appear to be silver? Impressed into the RAF as X9407, sold after the war as G-AIEY and was not a part of the Kings Flight. Originally bought by Sir Philip Sassoon.