F-16 goes kapooya kapooya on Mig-29!

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first a2a kill of 2014?

Turkey kills Fulcrum

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73764000/jpg/_73764257_73764248.jpg

see bbc for more

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I knew it wasn't a MiG 23 as NBC news reported but thought it might be a Mirage F1 https://www.google.ca/search?q=syrian+mirage+f1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ma4vU--hOsTHoAS654C4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1052&bih=654
But now you mention it does look like a Fulcrum. F-161 MiG29 0 but assume the MiG wasn't locking onto the F-16's so not fair fight.

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The downed aircraft is a MiG-23; according to Turkish Armed Forces statment;
-At 13:01 BIKIM (roughly translates as, integrated control&warning center) starts tracking two MiG-23s 80nmi away from Turkish borders.
-Until the aircraft has reached within 10nmi of Turkish border, they were warned 4 times. One of the MiG-23s broke off and turned away, while other maintained course and crossed border by 1 km at 13:13, then headed west and flied within Turkish airspace by 1.5 km.
-At 13:14 F-16s from 181st Pars Squadron engaged and shot down the MiG-23 with a single missile, which was headed for west.
-MiG-23 crashed 1200 meters south of Turkish border, pilot ejected.

In the interview with Syrian pilot admitted crossing the Turkish border while trying to track terrorists.

The AA image is possibly a Su-27 making cobra with wingtip smoke generators.

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The pictured jet looks like a Russian Knight Su-27.

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The downed aircraft is a MiG-23; according to Turkish Armed Forces statment;
-At 13:01 BIKIM (roughly translates as, integrated control&warning center) starts tracking two MiG-23s 80nmi away from Turkish borders.
-Until the aircraft has reached within 10nmi of Turkish border, they were warned 4 times. One of the MiG-23s broke off and turned away, while other maintained course and crossed border by 1 km at 13:13, then headed west and flied within Turkish airspace by 1.5 km.
-At 13:14 F-16s from 181st Pars Squadron engaged and shot down the MiG-23 with a single missile, which was headed for west.
-MiG-23 crashed 1200 meters south of Turkish border, pilot ejected.

In the interview with Syrian pilot admitted crossing the Turkish border while trying to track terrorists.

Can you provide sources in English?

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Like everyone has been staying, it was not MiG-29 but a MiG-23.

Most likely it was this plane filmed that day attack rebel position near the border.

http://i.imgur.com/foRnhsE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ge0e65T.jpg

Also I wouldn't be surprise if the reports by turkey warning the pilot are BS. Probably just wait till it got close to Turkish airspace and then shoot it down.

By the way here is the interview with the MiG-23 pilot.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=723772117643889

Can someone translate?

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Sadly that imagine is what all the media outlets seem to be using.
When I saw it on TV and they said Mig-23, I looked and thought that looks like a Mig-29!
But yes definitely Russian Knights Su-27, white front section and can just make out the red.

Great reporting by the media as per usual.

(A recent article in Australian newspaper about the government announcing itll buy some more F35s showed a picture of a F22...!)

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Also I wouldn't be surprise if the reports by turkey warning the pilot are BS. Probably just wait till it got close to Turkish airspace and then shoot it down.

The timing does seem awfully convenient for the Turkish government, i.e. as a distraction from recent domestic issues.

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The second mig should've stayed and fight. not surprised it got shot down in the end though.
Syria needs to seriously reconsider where it buys its next aircraft

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The timing does seem awfully convenient for the Turkish government, i.e. as a distraction from recent domestic issues.

Was thinking the same thing. Also it looks like the rebel have been using Turkey as a safe haven to launch attacks into Syria. As this new northern offensive seems to show.

The second mig should've stayed and fight. not surprised it got shot down in the end though.
Syria needs to seriously reconsider where it buys its next aircraft

The MiG-23BN that was shot down is a ground-attack variant and in all likelihood wasn't armed with any AA weapons. If it was at best would of been carrying the R-60. The MiG-23BN have their radar replaced with PrNK Sokol-23 ground attack sight system so it doesn't have any BVR capacity. It wouldn't of been a match for a F-16.

Even with the Syrian air force's recent use of MiG-29 in CAS role they only seem to be armed with air to ground weapons probably to extend their endurance.

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This appears to be the vid:
(hackbar alert, so please turn down sound)

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Syria needs to seriously reconsider where it buys its next aircraft

I'm not sure the current government (if it remains) will enjoy too many options.

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But, but, but BVR missiles always miss!

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The downed aircraft is a MiG-23; according to Turkish Armed Forces statment;
-At 13:01 BIKIM (roughly translates as, integrated control&warning center) starts tracking two MiG-23s 80nmi away from Turkish borders.
-Until the aircraft has reached within 10nmi of Turkish border, they were warned 4 times. One of the MiG-23s broke off and turned away, while other maintained course and crossed border by 1 km at 13:13, then headed west and flied within Turkish airspace by 1.5 km.
-At 13:14 F-16s from 181st Pars Squadron engaged and shot down the MiG-23 with a single missile, which was headed for west.
-MiG-23 crashed 1200 meters south of Turkish border, pilot ejected.

In the interview with Syrian pilot admitted crossing the Turkish border while trying to track terrorists.

The AA image is possibly a Su-27 making cobra with wingtip smoke generators.

Agreed...looks definitely an SU-27 but on closer examination of photo, looks like too much smoke to be coming from wingtip generators and significant afterburning signature looking almost like an explosion of some sort. Anyone know where BBC obtained this stock footage? Could it in fact be a SU-27 in trouble and headed down? Perhaps that's how the editor chose the photo. There has been a Knight crash hasn't there? Note "redness" in upper smoke trail indicating a persistent red glow.

PS. On further investigation, Anadolu Agency stock footage mentioned on photo display has no evidence on their website of this photo thus someone must have simply posted a photo of any MiG without further examination. Sadly BBC did not check source before posting.

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Here is the actual pic of the Red Knight SU-27 crash which the Turkish agency used but I may be wrong and instead its an SU-27 which has just dispensed flares. Was not able to obtain a definition of this picture and previous photo's of the Red Knight crash just showed one engine on fire. Whatever...this is definitely the photo Anadolu used (also note Anadolu seemingly purposely "fogged up" their photo or shopped it to eliminate the empty rails on wingtips. Even though they have changed background somewhat, the angle of descent is the same.
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Its not a crash but turbulance caused by the stalled wings of Su-27 making cobra hook or tailslide. Smoke can be due to wingtip generators flares or combination of both. for example: http://youtu.be/JjNj3TWO_Q0?t=55s

edit: it does not look like same image; smoke profile is different.

PS; in his interview Syrian pilot said, he flew 7 km inside Turkish airspace. While I am from Turkey, I believe this is more logical than TSK statement, and would better explain how aircraft headed north, then west and then crashed 1 km south of turkish border at kesab.

Though those statements are not contradictory; TSK may have meant greatest distance of intrusion is 1.5 km, and total flight distance can be 7 km like Syrian pilot said.

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Watching the video of the SU-35/37, agree that when the aircraft goes into an intentional "stall", the smoke sort of billows up on its back but as soon as descent occurs that dissipates into a dual wingtip stream so the illumination due to flares is most likely but still does not explain why there is so much smoke in the Kuzmin photo and Anadolu fake during descent.

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Aircraft attitude and direction / flight path don't necessarily explain much in themselves. The angle of attack is key, regardless of attitude and direction. The effects on the boundary layer (turbulence, separation, vortices) and wake turbulence can probably explain a few things. The wake air gets quite "messy" at the critical AoA.

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Here is the actual pic of the Red Knight SU-27 crash which the Turkish agency used but I may be wrong and instead its an SU-27 which has just dispensed flares. Was not able to obtain a definition of this picture and previous photo's of the Red Knight crash just showed one engine on fire. Whatever...this is definitely the photo Anadolu used (also note Anadolu seemingly purposely "fogged up" their photo or shopped it to eliminate the empty rails on wingtips. Even though they have changed background somewhat, the angle of descent is the same.

stupid turkey, first they ban youtube, then they say its a mig-29 that got shot down while using an su-27 picture.
I feel ukrainian gayduck.

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stupid turkey, first they ban youtube, then they say its a mig-29 that got shot down while using an su-27 picture.
I feel ukrainian gayduck.

No wonder they ban youtube.

Usually when you try a false flag it's not until a couple dozen years that it gets known.

Bad timing I suppose.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/here-youtube-false-flag-attack-syria-clip-erdogan-wanted-banned

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