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By: 18th October 2015 at 03:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Weakness: J-10B
Delta-canard (RCS head-on increases)
ECM useless against AAM-4B
Quality WS-10A engine is unstable and weaknesses of China's aviation technology
Weakness: F-2
No IRST
RCS larger than J-10B because no design DSI, RAM no paint
FCR (J/APG-1) and AAM-4B seeker with a narrow scan angle, short-range (comparison with PESA, pulse-Doppler), they have weaknesses of AESA technology
By: 19th October 2015 at 03:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Weakness: J-10BDelta-canard (RCS head-on increases)
ECM useless against AAM-4B
Quality WS-10A engine is unstable and weaknesses of China's aviation technologyWeakness: F-2
No IRST
RCS larger than J-10B because no design DSI, RAM no paint
FCR (J/APG-1) and AAM-4B seeker with a narrow scan angle, short-range (comparison with PESA, pulse-Doppler), they have weaknesses of AESA technology
hallo sexy
fyi f-2 was designed to sink ships first, not fighters.
j-10b was designed as a fighter first
also
j-10b uses pesa, not aesa. this was confirmed by everyone except for the chicafans. they're still struggling with the development of fighter sized AESA
f-2 is using a first gen aesa. Japan was the first to adopt a fighter sized AESA radar in the world (or second). they are planning to install a new second gen AESA.
both have crap ranges and will likely sink into the ocean before meeting in the sky
By: 19th October 2015 at 04:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Compare things like cannon, navigation tools, HUDs, electrical capacity, ejection seat, helmet sights, individual hard point combination, canopy view, external fuel tanks, in-flight refueling options, etc. The F-2A will win pretty much across the board.
By: 19th October 2015 at 09:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Frankly, I can't see how the F-2A wins this across the board.
ACES II vs Baker 10, is that really a base for a comparison? :)
By: 20th October 2015 at 01:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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ACES II vs Baker 10, is that really a base for a comparison? :)
seeing as how both have range issues and this fight is likely over the seas and bingo fuel each other to death.. sure why not
he who survives his crash lives another day to crash again.
By: 20th October 2015 at 01:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-J-10B does not use WS-10 engine.
As for who wins, why would you compare 1v1 when the cost ratio is probably 5:1 or better in favour of J-10B?
By: 20th October 2015 at 01:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-J-10B does not use WS-10 engine.As for who wins, why would you compare 1v1 when the cost ratio is probably 5:1 or better in favour of J-10B?
what is the cost of the j-10b?
By: 20th October 2015 at 01:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-what is the cost of the j-10b?
A lot less than the $120m (2009 USD) unit cost of F-2.
By: 20th October 2015 at 01:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-A lot less than the $120m (2009 USD) unit cost of F-2.
in other words you don't know. I couldn't find it, and I've a feeling neither can you.
2015 USD, the 12 billion yen F-2 is now $100m
By: 20th October 2015 at 01:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-this 2015 article estimates the J-10 is about 30 million
http://www.ibtimes.com/china-iran-weigh-1-billion-deal-swap-chengdu-j-10-fighter-jets-major-oil-field-2042356
and that's the A version.
The B version is likely to be higher with that DSI, PESA, etc and low production rates
wouldn't be surprised if its 40-50 million USD
or 2 per 1 Mitsubishi F-2
hardly your 5 to 1 ratio
By: 20th October 2015 at 01:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-in other words you don't know. I couldn't find it, and I've a feeling neither can you.
Of course I don't know. Nonetheless the point is beyond serious dispute. Costs for Japanese defense products are exorbitant even by western standards, whereas costs are much lower in China. And of course with the F-2 specifically one has to add the various license fees going to Lockheed Martin for use of the F-16 design.
By: 20th October 2015 at 04:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The national interest website is not much better than a tabloid these days... and articles like this aren't really helping its reputation. I think most of the members here know how useless directly comparing two aircraft is, unless one is interested in a pissing contest.
By: 20th October 2015 at 10:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-hallo sexyfyi f-2 was designed to sink ships first, not fighters.
j-10b was designed as a fighter firstalso
j-10b uses pesa, not aesa. this was confirmed by everyone except for the chicafans. they're still struggling with the development of fighter sized AESA
Well uh. This is awkward. The PESA news came from the "chicafans" and also disputed by the "chicafans". In other words, I don't know what confirmation you're talking about.
By: 23rd October 2015 at 04:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Well uh. This is awkward. The PESA news came from the "chicafans" and also disputed by the "chicafans". In other words, I don't know what confirmation you're talking about.
you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.
By: 23rd October 2015 at 09:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.
But key forums isn't really the go to resource for confirmation or denial of Chinese military developments, if that is the basis of your conclusion, it's a rather small and poorly representative sample
By: 23rd October 2015 at 10:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.
Why? I not only know where the information showed up in this forum, but which other forums the information came from. I *traced* the source on this one back to the original Chinese military forum the information first showed up. Do recall that members of Sinodefence and China-Defence posting here are the only reasons people here even know what's going on with Chinese aerospace.
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By: blackadam - 18th October 2015 at 03:44
J-10A vs F-2
http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/japans-f-2-vs-chinas-j-10-who-wins-14056?page=2
But, if replacing J-10B for J10A, it would be a different matter
Two darling of PLAAF and JASDF confront each other, some basic information of their strengths and weaknesses
J-10B
DSI intake (reduce RCS, reduce weight and improve maneuverability of the aircraft)
RAM
IRST
AESA radar
Add more EW/ECM
MAWS (missile approach warning)
Very long-range missile (PL-15, ~200km)
F-2
Best AAMBVR (AAM-4B AESA radar seeker, 100~120km, not affected by the ECM)
AESA radar
EW/ECM