By: Deskpilot
- 22nd August 2015 at 03:31Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I was under the impression that if a Lightning was in trouble, engines out or gear problems, the order was to bale out due to the high possibility of the plane cart-wheeling after a wing tip touched down. From what I can see, this kite had gear problems, had ejected the ventral tank and came in in a wing and a prayer. Anyone know the full story?
Edit, just notice no air brakes open so maybe it was a partial hydraulics failure.
By: Robbiesmurf
- 22nd August 2015 at 08:31Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed, it was always thought that the a/c would flip like that, it didn't.
It's an F6, the ventral tank could not be ejected. Why did it land with no u/c? Pilot error.
Airbrakes closed would indicate it would have been another touch and go.
The story. A combination of circumstances.
The pilot was doing touch and go's. A recent order had been made to not cycle the u/c during that due to excessive wear on the u/c trunnions. Also, to save money, there was no-one observing at the approach anymore. If they saw anything wrong with the a/c they would radio ATC or fire a flare as a warning. During the touch and go's the pilot did unthinkingly cycle up and forgot to lower it again. It then landed a little lower and shorter than expected. The damage was to the ventral tank and the port wing tip. The pilot claimed first that the u/c collapsed but it was rigorously tested and nothing was wrong. Just before getting out I believe he quickly selected down and then vacated very smartly. I was outside standing on an a/c and had a clear view of the incident, I have never seen a pilot dressed in full kit run so fast!
Btw for those of you who have seen late photo's of an F6 with a full ventral tank and no cannons. For those of you in the know, the tanks were modified in the late '60's to hold cannons, but only for the F6 models. The a/c was of course brought into ASF and they surveyed the damage and demanded the parts. The front section ventral tank was an unmodded version and there was much scratching of the head by the team chiefs. I was posted shortly after that so I never found out if they could demand a modded tank. I assume not...
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By: Stratofreighter - 26th July 2015 at 16:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
...and the "moving footage" version of this: ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImPuCwsDXGU
More clips can be found at
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?133320-How-Low-Can-You-Go-(2015)/page6
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By: archangelski - 1st August 2015 at 14:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: archangelski - 10th August 2015 at 13:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: Robbiesmurf - 10th August 2015 at 15:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RAF Swinderby?
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By: archangelski - 11th August 2015 at 09:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes.
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By: Stratofreighter - 14th August 2015 at 14:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A rather low F-14 Tomcat:
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10407300_669063193237901_593395459594609454_n.jpg?oh=f3b492e02ae0d1785bbe8ad95093406b&oe=5610FBE2
obviously photographed near the arresting cable on an air base.
Low pass videos?
See them at
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?133320-How-Low-Can-You-Go-(2015)/page6
elsewhere on this forum! ;)
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By: archangelski - 15th August 2015 at 13:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: MSphere - 19th August 2015 at 23:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: archangelski - 21st August 2015 at 19:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: Robbiesmurf - 21st August 2015 at 19:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I don't think anybody flew as low as this one.....
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Well, his landing was a bit low..
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By: Gerard - 21st August 2015 at 21:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
nice! but what country?
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By: Robbiesmurf - 21st August 2015 at 21:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The UK. It was my own first sighting of an a/c crashlanding.
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By: Gerard - 21st August 2015 at 21:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
now you say it I see the roundel under the cockpit. The tail was confusing me
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By: Deskpilot - 22nd August 2015 at 03:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I was under the impression that if a Lightning was in trouble, engines out or gear problems, the order was to bale out due to the high possibility of the plane cart-wheeling after a wing tip touched down. From what I can see, this kite had gear problems, had ejected the ventral tank and came in in a wing and a prayer. Anyone know the full story?
Edit, just notice no air brakes open so maybe it was a partial hydraulics failure.
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By: Robbiesmurf - 22nd August 2015 at 08:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed, it was always thought that the a/c would flip like that, it didn't.
It's an F6, the ventral tank could not be ejected. Why did it land with no u/c? Pilot error.
Airbrakes closed would indicate it would have been another touch and go.
The story. A combination of circumstances.
The pilot was doing touch and go's. A recent order had been made to not cycle the u/c during that due to excessive wear on the u/c trunnions. Also, to save money, there was no-one observing at the approach anymore. If they saw anything wrong with the a/c they would radio ATC or fire a flare as a warning. During the touch and go's the pilot did unthinkingly cycle up and forgot to lower it again. It then landed a little lower and shorter than expected. The damage was to the ventral tank and the port wing tip. The pilot claimed first that the u/c collapsed but it was rigorously tested and nothing was wrong. Just before getting out I believe he quickly selected down and then vacated very smartly. I was outside standing on an a/c and had a clear view of the incident, I have never seen a pilot dressed in full kit run so fast!
Btw for those of you who have seen late photo's of an F6 with a full ventral tank and no cannons. For those of you in the know, the tanks were modified in the late '60's to hold cannons, but only for the F6 models. The a/c was of course brought into ASF and they surveyed the damage and demanded the parts. The front section ventral tank was an unmodded version and there was much scratching of the head by the team chiefs. I was posted shortly after that so I never found out if they could demand a modded tank. I assume not...
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By: archangelski - 29th August 2015 at 14:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: roberto_yeager - 8th September 2015 at 11:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1Saludo
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By: Stratofreighter - 6th November 2015 at 13:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmUSeFmOwJk
Ukrainian troops being buzzed by one of their own Sukhoi Su-25 Frogfoot's.
More low-flyers? See
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?133320-How-Low-Can-You-Go-(2015)/page7 ;)
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By: Stratofreighter - 22nd November 2015 at 04:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
...and this one is over land, quite close to the crowd line.
You think you have seen all "Sneak Passes" done by Blue Angles? Well, not like this... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mjoQB2BLc0
Pensacola Naval Air Station, very low over the runway near the crowdline.
So not above water far from the public :D
More low-fliers can be found at
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?133320-How-Low-Can-You-Go-(2015)/page8
elsewhere on this forum! :eagerness:
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By: Stratofreighter - 13th December 2015 at 20:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNDx8TMt36Q
We certainly are going to miss those Argentinian Mirage Delta's... :apologetic: