By: wilhelm
- 8th March 2016 at 16:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Paralay, when was that picture taken?
I thought all the unfinished airframes had been completed, although, on reflection, that seems to be an oft stated statement that I've never seen definitive evidence of.
It seems to me there is some confusion over how many were actually ordered, and how many construction was actually started on, or have I got that wrong?
By: paralay
- 8th March 2016 at 16:57Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In many factories remained unfinished planes. Now they will finish. Requires free up space for new projects.
This photo appeared yesterday in the Russian social network.
Prototypes built by MMZ 'Opyt'
70-01 "18" grey Tu-160 Tupolev OKB mfd jan81 first prototype, also referred to as 70-00 by the OKB;
construction started in 1977; transported to Zhukovski in
summer 1980; ground system checks started 22oct80; f/f
18dec81 from Ramenskoye; in natural metal Soviet Air Force
c/s, initially without code; first M=1 flight jun85; stored
derelict at Zhukovski
70-02 -- Tu-160 Tupolev OKB mfd 1982 ? static test airframe; tested to destruction at the TsAGI;
forward fuselage stored dismantled at Zhukovski
70-03 "29" grey Tu-160 Tupolev OKB f/f 06oct84 second prototype, pre-production aircraft; in natural metal
Soviet Air Force c/s, initially without code; established
several world records 15may90; f/n Zuk 01sep93, active; stored
at Zhukovski, l/n 1995
Production aircraft built by KAPO
--- "30" grey Tu-160S ? Tupolev OKB f/f 10oct84 from Kazan; line # 01-01; in Soviet Air Force c/s, first Tu-160
painted in white; stored at Zhukovski with nose and two engines
missing, l/n aug07
--- "56" grey Tu-160S ? Tupolev OKB f/f 16mar85 line # 01-02; in Soviet Air Force c/s; reportedly w/o mar87
when crashed on take-off due to engine fire (confirmation of
the accident needed)
--- "86" grey Tu-160S ? Tupolev OKB f/f 25dec85 line # 02-01; in Soviet Air Force c/s; stored at Zhukovski
without engines, l/n aug07
--- "87" grey Tu-160S ? Tupolev OKB f/f 15aug86 line # 02-02; in Soviet Air Force c/s; used as flying testbed
for systems trials at Zhukovski; seen Zuk aug93/aug95 with
exhibition number '202'; arrived at KAPO for rework 12jul00
with t/t 900 hours (first Tu-160 to undergo rework)
"19" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force h/o 05jul06 at Kazan-Borisoglebskoye; opb 121 tbap; named 'Valentin
Bliznyuk' 05jul06 after the chief designer of the Tu-160;
arrived at Engels 05jul06
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 03-01
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 03-02
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 03-03
--- not known Tu-160S Tupolev OKB ? line # 03-04
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 03-05 ?
84 70 42 17 "63" grey Tu-160S Tupolev OKB f/f 22mar88 line # 04-01; in Soviet Air Force c/s; f/n Zuk 17aug92
"342" black Tu-160SK Tupolev OKB LBG jun95 demonstrator aircraft of the airborne SLV system; received
the exhibition number from the Le Bourget airshow as its new
code; displayed LBG jul95 and Zuk 19/24aug97 with full-scale
mock-up of the 'Burlak' suborbital launcher rocket; named
'Boris Veremei' 22dec05 after a Tupolev test pilot; l/n as such
Zuk 22dec05; seen Zuk 21aug07 without code
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 04-02 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 04-03 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 04-04 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 04-05 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 05-01 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 05-02 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 05-03 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 05-04 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 05-05 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 06-01 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 06-02 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 06-03 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 06-04 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 06-05 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 07-01 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 07-02 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 07-03 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 07-04 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 07-05 ?
--- not known Tu-160S Soviet Air Force line # 08-01 ?
--- no code Tu-160S primer f/f 10sep99 line # 08-02
"07" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force d/d 05may00 opb 121 tbap; named 'Alexander Molodchi' 27jun00 after a
famous WWII bomber pilot and Hero of the Soviet Union; f/n
Eng jun04; l/n BA El Libertador 11sep08
--- "08" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force f/f 28dec07 line # 08-03; h/o 29apr08 at Engels and named 'Vitali Kopylov'
after a former general manager of KAPO; opb 121 tbap at Engels
--- -- Tu-160S line # 08-04; on production line
--- -- Tu-160S -- line # 08-05 ?; reportedly b/u at an early stage after the
freezing of the production in 1992
Aircraft with unknown construction numbers include
--- "01" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force mfd dec91 toc 16feb92 ?; opb 121 tbap; named 'Mikhail Gromov' 22feb99
after a famous Soviet test pilot; w/o 18sep03 when crashed
between Sovyetskoye and Stepnoye 40 km from Engels after an
in-flight fire caused by a fuel tank which exploded because it
had not been filled with nitrogen to save money
--- "02" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force mfd 1992 opb 121 tbap; named 'Vasili Reshetnikov' 23dec99 after a 1970s
commander of long-range aviation
--- "03" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force mfd 1992 opb 121 tbap; named 'Pavel Taran' 31jul02 after a famous pilot
and Hero of the Soviet Union; modernised by KAPO in 2003; f/n
Zuk 19aug03; President Vladimir Putin flew on it on a mission
from Chkalovski to Olenegorsk 16aug05
--- "04" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 1096 tbap
"04" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Zuk 15aug05 opb 121 tbap; named 'Ivan Yarygin' 06jan99 after a famous
Soviet wrestler who won the Olympic gold medal in 1972; l/n
Zuk 20aug05
--- "05" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 1096 tbap
"05" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng jun04 opb 121 tbap; named 'Ilya Muromets' may95 as the back-up of
"06" red for the Victory Day Parade; renamed 'Alexander
Golovanov' 07aug99 after a 1940s commander of long-range
aviation; l/n Eng 01nov05
--- "06" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force MOW 09may95 opb 121 tbap; named 'Ilya Muromets' 09may95 after a mythical
Russian hero; l/n Eng 16aug05
--- "10" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"10" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force in full Ukrainian AF markings; sold to Russia in 1999
"10" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng 16aug05 arrived at Engels 06nov99; opb 121 tbap; named 'Nikolai
Kuznetsov' 09aug08 after a Soviet aircraft engine designer
--- "11" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force c/n given as '4342604', but one digit is obviously lacking;
opb 184 tbap
"11" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force sold to Russia in 1999
"11" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng 16aug05 opb 121 tbap; named 'Vasili Senko' 15oct02 afer a famous
bomber pilot and Hero of the Soviet Union; l/n BA El Libertador
11sep08
--- "12" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force Kub 02aug88 opb 184 tbap
"12" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force sold to Russia in 1999
"12" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng 16aug05 opb 121 tbap; named 'Alexander Novikov' 21dec00 afer a 1940s
Air Chief Marshal; l/n Eng 01nov05
--- "14" red (1) Tu-160S Soviet Air Force mfd 1991 opb 184 tbap; established several world records 31oct89
"14" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air ForcePLV sep94 in full Ukrainian AF markings; b/u nov99 as the second Tu-160
to be destroyed; t/t less than 100 hours
--- "14" red (2) Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng 16aug05 obviously a different one than above
--- "15" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"15" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force photo in full Ukrainian AF markings; sold to Russia in 1999
"15" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force opb 121 tbap; named 'Vladimir Sudets' 03dec04 after an Air
Marshal
--- "16" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force Kub mar93 opb 184 tbap
"16" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force sold to Russia in 1999
"16" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng 17apr03 opb 121 tbap; named 'Alexei Plokhov' 17apr03 after a famous
bomber pilot and Hero of the Soviet Union; l/n Eng 16aug05
--- "17" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"17" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force named 'Priluki'; sold to Russia in 1999
"17" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng 16aug05 opb 121 tbap; named 'Valeri Chkalov' 07feb04 after a famous
test pilot; l/n Eng 01nov05
--- "18" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force Mma 13feb92 opb 184 tbap
"18" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force never flew in Ukrainian markings
"18" red Tu-160S Russian Air Force Eng 16aug05 arrived at Engels late jan00 as the last Ukrainian Tu-160
--- "20" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"20" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force
--- "21" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force Kub 13jun89 opb 184 tbap
"21" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force probably b/u in 2000
--- "22" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"22" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force probably b/u
--- "24" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force mfd 1989 opb 184 tbap
"24" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force b/u 16nov98 as the first Tu-160 to be destroyed; t/t 466 hours
--- "25" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"25" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force probably b/u
--- "26" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"26" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force last flight 30mar00 to Poltava (last flight of a Ukrainian
Tu-160) and preserved in the Ukrainian Air Force Museum there
since, l/n 2005
--- "30" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force d/d 25apr87 opb 184 tbap; one of the first Tu-160s delivered to Priluki
"30" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force b/u at Priluki in late 1990s
--- "31" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"31" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force probably b/u
--- "32" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"32" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force b/u at Priluki
--- "33" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"33" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force was stored at Priluki; probably b/u
--- "34" red Tu-160S Soviet Air Force opb 184 tbap
"34" red Tu-160S *Ukraine Air Force probably b/u
By: medo
- 8th March 2016 at 18:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You managed to draw that conclusion from a Su-27SM simulator picture? Damn.
It is not a conclusion, it is a question. There were rumors, that in next years Su-33 fighters will go through repairs in aviation repair plant although not long ago they went through general overhaul in KNAAZ and that they will go through modernization to serve as ground based fighters to protect Kola peninsula. If they will be actually modernized, than they could use Su-27SM simulators as well. I don't see why else would they overhaul Su-33 so quickly after they were overhauled by KNAAZ if they will not modernize them.
By: medo
- 8th March 2016 at 18:54Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Who needs it? Repair enough.
There is a new multi-purpose aircraft, 24 MiG-29K / KUB
MiG-29K/KUB will be on the carrier, Su-33 will be ground based fighter to protect Kola peninsula and Arctic region. It will have sense to modernize them with N001VEP radar to give them anti-ship capabilities, which MiG-31BM doesn't have. They both will protect the gate between Murmansk and Franz Joseph islands.
By: a89
- 8th March 2016 at 18:54Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From Paralays: apparently an unfinished fuselage left over.
A while ago I read in an article (maybe by Mladenov or Butowski) that 2 fuselages were left. However, other sources state that unfinished samples were completed years ago. I am surprised the one in the photo was not. Also, the photo looks old. Any current mobile phone could get better resolution.
By: paralay
- 8th March 2016 at 20:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Several years ago, the new Tu-160 from the Soviet reserve was built.
MiG-29K/KUB will be on the carrier, Su-33 will be ground based fighter to protect Kola peninsula and Arctic region. It will have sense to modernize them with N001VEP radar to give them anti-ship capabilities, which MiG-31BM doesn't have. They both will protect the gate between Murmansk and Franz Joseph islands.
By: maurobaggio
- 9th March 2016 at 03:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
MiG-29K/KUB will be on the carrier, Su-33 will be ground based fighter to protect Kola peninsula and Arctic region. It will have sense to modernize them with N001VEP radar to give them anti-ship capabilities, which MiG-31BM doesn't have. They both will protect the gate between Murmansk and Franz Joseph islands.
As far I know about it issue, it seems to me that the Russian Navy has been acquired a batch of 20 Su 30SM to replace the Su 24M, however I guess that choice by Su 30SM has been a bit odd, once it could have three others alternatives from Su 30SM:
new batch from Su 33, and this could have included the engines and radars from Su 30SM or the Su 33UB. The main advantage would be that the Su 33M could be shipped in the Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and in air bases on the ground.
put into production the Su 33UB that are the twin seat version from Su 33. The Su 33UB could operate shipped in Kuznetsov aircraft carrier or air bases on the ground. Also the Su 33UB could have been used for training for the Su 33, and this option could save many flight hours with Su 33,since it would extend the useful life of those legacy Su 33.
the Su 34 to replace the Su 24M in the Russia Navy just it has been making the VVS.
Perhaps the option for Su 30SM has been motivated by the higher cost from Su 33M and Su 33UB, as well as the Su 30SM has been better option in the Air-to-Air missions in Black Sea than the Su 34, once the Su 34 has been dedicated for attack missions.
However I guess the cost from Su 33M and Su 33UB would not be much higher than the Su 30SM, at least it will not so high to derail this supposed acquisitions from Su 33M or Su 33UB.
In fact it has been always the intention of the Russian Navy will be equipped with Su 33 and MiG 29K. This plan were not implemented after the end of the Soviet Union due to severe lack of budget.
By: Austin
- 9th March 2016 at 04:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The RuN did say that Su-33 life would be extended and would be used along with Mig-29K .....they got more experience with flanker then with fulcrum.
The reach of Su-33 in AD role would be far higher then the 29K and flanker occupy smaller foot print when folded compared the 29K atleast the older 29K.
By: haavarla
- 9th March 2016 at 08:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Building new Su-33 would be costly.
More costly than the Mig-29K which are allready rolling out from MIG RSK.
The Indian Navy remember..
New
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By: MSphere
- 9th March 2016 at 09:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[*]new batch from Su 33, and this could have included the engines and radars from Su 30SM or the Su 33UB. The main advantage would be that the Su 33M could be shipped in the Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and in air bases on the ground..
That's pure fantasy.. Such version was never developed.. I could imagine Su-27KM having the hardware from Su-27SM (N001VEP) but hardly BARS or slotted array from Su-27KUB. Remember, no one will be putting too much money into the existing Su-27K airframes as they are quite worn already.
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By: Lt Anderson - 6th March 2016 at 22:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Flight simulator.
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By: paralay - 7th March 2016 at 08:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Probably the Su-27SM
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 7th March 2016 at 12:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes... Over a virtual version of Severomorsk. :-)
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By: nkvd - 7th March 2016 at 12:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10248/SU-34_TEST_02.jpg
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By: medo - 7th March 2016 at 18:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe Su-33 will be modernized to Su-27SM level?
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By: Berkut - 7th March 2016 at 18:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You managed to draw that conclusion from a Su-27SM simulator picture? Damn.
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By: Lt Anderson - 7th March 2016 at 19:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
More seriously, any news about a real Su-33's modernization program?
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By: paralay - 7th March 2016 at 19:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Who needs it? Repair enough.
There is a new multi-purpose aircraft, 24 MiG-29K / KUB
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By: TR1 - 8th March 2016 at 08:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How many hours has this aiframe flown I wonder?
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By: TR1 - 8th March 2016 at 08:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From Paralays: apparently an unfinished fuselage left over.
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By: wilhelm - 8th March 2016 at 16:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Paralay, when was that picture taken?
I thought all the unfinished airframes had been completed, although, on reflection, that seems to be an oft stated statement that I've never seen definitive evidence of.
It seems to me there is some confusion over how many were actually ordered, and how many construction was actually started on, or have I got that wrong?
EDIT: This is part 15, but in the RuAF News&Development thread part 14, there is a pic showing Tu-160's undergoing refurbishment. That incomplete airframe is in that pic stuck all the way in the back of the hall.
Reply No553 halway down the page in the link below:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?133324-RuAF-News-and-development-Thread-part-14/page19
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By: paralay - 8th March 2016 at 16:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In many factories remained unfinished planes. Now they will finish. Requires free up space for new projects.
This photo appeared yesterday in the Russian social network.
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By: medo - 8th March 2016 at 18:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It is not a conclusion, it is a question. There were rumors, that in next years Su-33 fighters will go through repairs in aviation repair plant although not long ago they went through general overhaul in KNAAZ and that they will go through modernization to serve as ground based fighters to protect Kola peninsula. If they will be actually modernized, than they could use Su-27SM simulators as well. I don't see why else would they overhaul Su-33 so quickly after they were overhauled by KNAAZ if they will not modernize them.
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By: medo - 8th March 2016 at 18:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
MiG-29K/KUB will be on the carrier, Su-33 will be ground based fighter to protect Kola peninsula and Arctic region. It will have sense to modernize them with N001VEP radar to give them anti-ship capabilities, which MiG-31BM doesn't have. They both will protect the gate between Murmansk and Franz Joseph islands.
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By: a89 - 8th March 2016 at 18:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A while ago I read in an article (maybe by Mladenov or Butowski) that 2 fuselages were left. However, other sources state that unfinished samples were completed years ago. I am surprised the one in the photo was not. Also, the photo looks old. Any current mobile phone could get better resolution.
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By: paralay - 8th March 2016 at 20:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Several years ago, the new Tu-160 from the Soviet reserve was built.
For this there is the Su-34 ;)
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By: maurobaggio - 9th March 2016 at 03:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
As far I know about it issue, it seems to me that the Russian Navy has been acquired a batch of 20 Su 30SM to replace the Su 24M, however I guess that choice by Su 30SM has been a bit odd, once it could have three others alternatives from Su 30SM:
Perhaps the option for Su 30SM has been motivated by the higher cost from Su 33M and Su 33UB, as well as the Su 30SM has been better option in the Air-to-Air missions in Black Sea than the Su 34, once the Su 34 has been dedicated for attack missions.
However I guess the cost from Su 33M and Su 33UB would not be much higher than the Su 30SM, at least it will not so high to derail this supposed acquisitions from Su 33M or Su 33UB.
In fact it has been always the intention of the Russian Navy will be equipped with Su 33 and MiG 29K. This plan were not implemented after the end of the Soviet Union due to severe lack of budget.
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By: Austin - 9th March 2016 at 04:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The RuN did say that Su-33 life would be extended and would be used along with Mig-29K .....they got more experience with flanker then with fulcrum.
The reach of Su-33 in AD role would be far higher then the 29K and flanker occupy smaller foot print when folded compared the 29K atleast the older 29K.
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By: haavarla - 9th March 2016 at 08:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Building new Su-33 would be costly.
More costly than the Mig-29K which are allready rolling out from MIG RSK.
The Indian Navy remember..
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By: MSphere - 9th March 2016 at 09:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That's pure fantasy.. Such version was never developed.. I could imagine Su-27KM having the hardware from Su-27SM (N001VEP) but hardly BARS or slotted array from Su-27KUB. Remember, no one will be putting too much money into the existing Su-27K airframes as they are quite worn already.