Gripen , Typhoon , Rafale vs F-15C , F-16C ,F-15E , Su-27 , Mig-29

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Do anyone have information about the (sustained and instantaneous ) turn rate and acceleration of 4.5 gen fighters compared to the legacy 4 gen ? I can find some chart for F-16 and Mig-29 , but unable to locate chart for the rest ( if someone can estimate their turn rate with equalize combat radius then that is even better )
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3 mig-29s are superior to 1 rafale. it is a fair comparison because 1 rafale costs as much as 3 mig-29s.

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Yeah and you lose them 30 times faster... thats why you need a lot.

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IMHO if combat radius being equalized in term of acceleration it probably go like Typhoon > F-15C > F-15E > rafale= F-16 =Mig-29 =gripen > su-27 in term of sustained turn rate at low altitude it probably go like Su-27 > rafale > F-16 = Typhoon =gripen = mig-29 > F-15C > F-15E in term of sustained turn rate at high altitude it probably go like Typhoon > Su-27 > F-15C> F-15E > Mig-29 > Rafale = F -16 = Gripen Though if we know their respective lift coefficient it would be easier to compare

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Yeah and you lose them 30 times faster... thats why you need a lot.
a flight of 5 rafales vs 15 mig-29s. No, the rafales will not survive. assuming each mig-29 is using 6 missiles, there is no way the rafale will survive 90 shots. it should be statistically obvous to anyone but your hate for Russia is too strong.

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a flight of 5 rafales vs 15 mig-29s. No, the rafales will not survive. assuming each mig-29 is using 6 missiles, there is no way the rafale will survive 90 shots. it should be statistically obvous to anyone but your hate for Russia is too strong.
Once the Rafale gets the Meteor, the 15 Mig-29 will not survive. Rafale will then be able to ID and target the Migs at quite a distance. Without the Meteor the Rafales will still survive since they will have much better SA -- worst case scenario they will abort mission and fly home (after terminating some of the 15 Mig first of course)
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a flight of 5 rafales vs 15 mig-29s. No, the rafales will not survive. assuming each mig-29 is using 6 missiles, there is no way the rafale will survive 90 shots. it should be statistically obvous to anyone but your hate for Russia is too strong.
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nice picture -- is it from Norway? There is actually a place in Norway called Hell...

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/09/article-2535709-1A7D371000000578-703_964x531.jpg
That's where this thread is ultimately heading.

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a flight of 5 rafales vs 15 mig-29s. No, the rafales will not survive. assuming each mig-29 is using 6 missiles, there is no way the rafale will survive 90 shots. it should be statistically obvous to anyone but your hate for Russia is too strong.
Don't think they would have time to take-off, MiGs are usually destroyed on the ground nowadays... As for my "hate for Russia"... well...whatever ...
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This thread seems like a topic that has been recycled over and again. The flight manuals for the: F-16CJ, F-16A, F-15E, F-15C, some E-M diagrams for Mig-29, Su-27 are available. There are not, hopefully won't be for some time, flight manuals for the likes of Rafale, Typhoon available. These types of comparisons lead to non-productive p*ssing contests.

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These types of comparisons lead to non-productive p*ssing contests.
I find it rather interesting because in this kind of thread sometimes we get to read very interesting and informative post from knowledgeable people like Andraxxus
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This thread seems like a topic that has been recycled over and again. The flight manuals for the: F-16CJ, F-16A, F-15E, F-15C, some E-M diagrams for Mig-29, Su-27 are available. There are not, hopefully won't be for some time, flight manuals for the likes of Rafale, Typhoon available. These types of comparisons lead to non-productive p*ssing contests.
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MiG-29 vs Su-27 dog fight - 1.18, ranged combat - 0.92 Rafale vs Su-27 dog fight - 1.24, ranged combat - 1.3 Thus Rafale (first flight 1986) = 1.2 MiG-29 (first flight 1977) http://paralay.com/paralay_tab.xls line 194 - 221
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I find it rather interesting because in this kind of thread sometimes we get to read very interesting and informative post from knowledgeable people like Andraxxus
I get where you are coming from. Without the flight manuals for all, it is hard to make definitive comparisons. Using the available information to model aircraft performance without: information on the airfoil, total drag, net thrust means that assumptions have to be made. I too, enjoy reading Andraxxus, but I'm sure he would admit that there would be significant deviation between modeled and observed performance. Interesting paper from NASA, 1973 on performance modeling vs flight test (predicted performance was within 5%, but this was for level flight and a constant power setting) http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/87819main_H-723.pdf

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IMHO if combat radius being equalized in term of acceleration it probably go like Typhoon > F-15C > F-15E > rafale= F-16 =Mig-29 =gripen > su-27 in term of sustained turn rate at low altitude it probably go like Su-27 > rafale > F-16 = Typhoon =gripen = mig-29 > F-15C > F-15E in term of sustained turn rate at high altitude it probably go like Typhoon > Su-27 > F-15C> F-15E > Mig-29 > Rafale = F -16 = Gripen Though if we know their respective lift coefficient it would be easier to compare
Current production MIG-35 has 19km altitude and 2500km/hr top speed. I don't think EF and F-15C can compete with it. F-15C will need CFT for sustained high speed performance. All those AESA, electronics and EW pods are heavy.
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The maximum speed of the MiG-35 2100 - 2200 km / h ;) [ATTACH=CONFIG]247788[/ATTACH]
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