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I wonder if the Pak-Fa will ever open its weapons bay doors. J-20 did it in flight and have yet to see the Pak-Fa do it while static.

Hmm, never.. It's logical to design weapon bays and then never use them.. makes sense..

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Hmm, never.. It's logical to design weapon bays and then never use them.. makes sense..

It was rhetorical question. But I'm not surprised you're the only one that didn't know that.

where's the flares bay on the j-20? if it has one

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It was rhetorical question. But I'm not surprised you're the only one that didn't know that.

Mine was a rhetorical answer. But I'm not surprised you're the only one that didn't know that.

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In my view, the J-20 appears to be far more agile in the air than its design would otherwise suggest, at least based on the videos so far available, and especially considering the fact that it lacks TVC.

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what are you showing me here ? Those spots are more from just heat dissipation no ?

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Such a fountain of knowledge!

Stops by for a cheap shot. Too cowardly to put his own alleged knowledge up for scrutiny.

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In my view, the J-20 appears to be far more agile in the air than its design would otherwise suggest, at least based on the videos so far available, and especially considering the fact that it lacks TVC.
Although a little smaller they are still delta wings + canard+ Lerx, so I would expect a maneouvreability at least comparable to a JF-17 if not even a J-10, and not like the Mig-31, even without TVC.

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In my view, the J-20 appears to be far more agile in the air than its design would otherwise suggest, at least based on the videos so far available, and especially considering the fact that it lacks TVC.

Those video seem accelerated to give perception of agility.

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Those video seem accelerated to give perception of agility.

If it had some indigenous engine that we knew nothing about then I wouldn't be skeptical. But damn does it rocket up

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Although a little smaller they are still delta wings + canard+ Lerx, so I would expect a maneouvreability at least comparable to a JF-17 if not even a J-10, and not like the Mig-31, even without TVC.

tvc is a bandaid solution. that's why rafale, eurofighter, gripen, f-35, j-20, jf-17, j-10 don't need it.

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In my view, the J-20 appears to be far more agile in the air than its design would otherwise suggest, at least based on the videos so far available, and especially considering the fact that it lacks TVC.

can you link where J-20 show off agility ?

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tvc is a bandaid solution. that's why rafale, eurofighter, gripen, f-35, j-20, jf-17, j-10 don't need it.

TVC simply enhances a fighter jet's maneuverability. The jets you mentioned all have different reasons why they don't have it. And it has nothing to do with solutions to other problems.

I think it is telling that the 2 countries with the most experience and expertise in the business both have TVC variants on their flagship jets. And Russia went the extra mile and went 3D.

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can you link where J-20 show off agility ?

i think he's talking about this latest video. Watch the jet go off in the distance and then just rocket up into the heavens and does a nifty move

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TVC simply enhances a fighter jet's maneuverability. The jets you mentioned all have different reasons why they don't have it. And it has nothing to do with solutions to other problems.

I think it is telling that the 2 countries with the most experience and expertise in the business both have TVC variants on their flagship jets. And Russia went the extra mile and went 3D.

no. the flag ship jet of the us is the f-35. it is their most expensive and important program. they dropped the tvc. the f-22 is a 30 year old design.
so we have 5 different leading aviation preferring NOT to use tvc. it had its day, and now it is gone.
Russia is sticking to it because it is part of their philosophy. they know they are at a strong disadvantage to western jets in radar range and missile reliability and range, so they are hoping to win the close in fight.

if the su-35 rumor is true, then expect to see China make a copy of its engine and improve upon it. no big deal.

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design wise F-22 and F-35 not have more than 10 year difference. its is the old avionics system design of F-22 that make it expensive.
maker of Rafale/Gripen/Eurofighter are not by any stretch leading aviation countries. just look at Airbus civil how they are managing it from titanium to designing various parts.

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no. the flag ship jet of the us is the f-35. it is their most expensive and important program. they dropped the tvc. the f-22 is a 30 year old design.
so we have 5 different leading aviation preferring NOT to use tvc. it had its day, and now it is gone.
Russia is sticking to it because it is part of their philosophy. they know they are at a strong disadvantage to western jets in radar range and missile reliability and range, so they are hoping to win the close in fight.

if the su-35 rumor is true, then expect to see China make a copy of its engine and improve upon it. no big deal.

The flagship jet is not the F 35. It is the Raptor.

There was no way to have VTOL and TVC on the F 35. So it doesn't have it.

The leaders in the industry are the US and Russia.