I thought it had a similar style of stealth paint as on the f-22 and f-35, but with these better resolution pics. I am disappointed. they are more like the f-16 type of paint.
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 20th October 2016 at 11:25Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
By: foxmulder_ms
- 20th October 2016 at 14:42Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It is sad to see and difficult to understand some Russian fans coming Chinese topics and poopooing Chinese hardware. I think it shows insecurity that their old pupil might be indeed eclipsing them. You do not see the opposite much. I do not know what urges these people to come and state "haha Chinese copied rear mirror copied the wings, their design sucks, it doesn't even have wheels etc.."
Just chill and enjoy the picture stream. Chinese are looking at other designs obviously, as all others does; but J-20 is as unique as it gets so please be a little bit more considered and try to be a little bit more objective.
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By: Byoin
- 20th October 2016 at 14:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It is sad to see and difficult to understand some Russian fans coming Chinese topics and poopooing Chinese hardware. I think it shows insecurity that their old pupil might be indeed eclipsing them. You do not see the opposite much. I do not know what urges these people to come and state "haha Chinese copied rear mirror copied the wings, their design sucks, it doesn't even have wheels etc.."
Just chill and enjoy the picture stream. Chinese are looking at other designs obviously, as all others does; but J-20 is as unique as it gets so please be a little bit more considered and try to be a little bit more objective.
indeed. with allies like these who needs enemies
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By: KGB
- 20th October 2016 at 18:45Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is assuming the flare ejectors are behind enclosed panels like on other fighter aircraft and thus very difficult to identify.
Personally I'm not sure if those things on the tail are flare ejectors, and if they are, I'm not sure if that means we should expect any ventral flare ejectors to be easily identifiable or if they may be behind panels.
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 21st October 2016 at 06:57Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
pattern looks Russian but the paint type looks a lot like this
rather than
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By: MSphere
- 21st October 2016 at 12:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And?
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By: Anonymous
- 21st October 2016 at 19:17Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
That is assuming the flare ejectors are behind enclosed panels like on other fighter aircraft and thus very difficult to identify.
Personally I'm not sure if those things on the tail are flare ejectors, and if they are, I'm not sure if that means we should expect any ventral flare ejectors to be easily identifiable or if they may be behind panels.
I'm fairly certain that they are chaff/flare dispensers - zoom in to about 300% on the photo of the J-20 in primer and you can even barely discern the individual tubes.
There may be additional dispensers behind doors on the underside of course, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a 90%ish chance Byoin was talking BS when he said I was incorrect.
By: QuantumFX
- 21st October 2016 at 20:02Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
few more. Zhuhai Airshow (Air Show China) 2016 will be from 01-06 November. Hopefully we will get some official specifications on the J-20 (though I admit its unlikely).
By: Blitzo
- 22nd October 2016 at 00:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm fairly certain that they are chaff/flare dispensers - zoom in to about 300% on the photo of the J-20 in primer and you can even barely discern the individual tubes.
There may be additional dispensers behind doors on the underside of course, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a 90%ish chance Byoin was talking BS when he said I was incorrect.
Yes, well I think your mistake was taking Byoin's posts with any sort of seriousness to begin with :p
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 22nd October 2016 at 01:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Kisses..
find one that is not overly saturated on photoshop
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 22nd October 2016 at 01:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, well I think your mistake was taking Byoin's posts with any sort of seriousness to begin with :p
That is assuming the flare ejectors are behind enclosed panels like on other fighter aircraft and thus very difficult to identify.
Personally I'm not sure if those things on the tail are flare ejectors, and if they are, I'm not sure if that means we should expect any ventral flare ejectors to be easily identifiable or if they may be behind panels.
lol what a flip flopper. first you agree with Mr. Chinabot's post doubting they were flare ejectors, and after a neutral person proved both of you wrong, then you switch your position lol.
reminds me a lot about the claims of the J-20 not being the same size as the Flanker until Quantum and a bunch of others showed that they were the same, using the same exact sattelite image the naysayers used
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By: Byoin
- 22nd October 2016 at 01:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
lol what a flip flopper. first you agree with Mr. Chinabot's post doubting they were flare ejectors, and after a neutral person proved both of you wrong, then you switch your position lol.
reminds me a lot about the claims of the J-20 not being the same size as the Flanker until Quantum and a bunch of others showed that they were the same, using the same exact sattelite image the naysayers used
ok Jo Asukura, I don't know why Russian posters keep coming here dismissing Chinese aircraft. A lot of Chinese and non-Chinese like Blitzo enjoy normal conversation and news here and we care about facts
the J-20 is only slightly longer than f-22. it just LOOKS longer because the f-22 has a huge reflective tail. If it had a smaller tail like the j-20, it would also Look long. for example
the longest and largest aircraft are always Russian. the PAKFA is longer and bigger than the j-20 and the f-22. especially because of its tandem bays.
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By: latenlazy - 20th October 2016 at 09:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTc0NTExODg0MA==.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2&x=1
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By: StarfishPrime - 20th October 2016 at 11:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Even copied the Russian colour scheme.
http://defense-update.com/20161018_j20new.html
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By: StarfishPrime - 20th October 2016 at 11:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
404 Error, agility not found.
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 20th October 2016 at 11:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I thought it had a similar style of stealth paint as on the f-22 and f-35, but with these better resolution pics. I am disappointed. they are more like the f-16 type of paint.
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 20th October 2016 at 11:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
thanks, looks like they are not using a bay
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By: foxmulder_ms - 20th October 2016 at 14:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It is sad to see and difficult to understand some Russian fans coming Chinese topics and poopooing Chinese hardware. I think it shows insecurity that their old pupil might be indeed eclipsing them. You do not see the opposite much. I do not know what urges these people to come and state "haha Chinese copied rear mirror copied the wings, their design sucks, it doesn't even have wheels etc.."
Just chill and enjoy the picture stream. Chinese are looking at other designs obviously, as all others does; but J-20 is as unique as it gets so please be a little bit more considered and try to be a little bit more objective.
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By: Byoin - 20th October 2016 at 14:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
indeed. with allies like these who needs enemies
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By: KGB - 20th October 2016 at 18:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: JSR - 20th October 2016 at 19:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
China is extremely weak ally. allies are measured by using joint force.
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By: SpudmanWP - 20th October 2016 at 21:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nope.. they are on top
Here is a shot of the bottom and there are no flare ejectors.
http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/16/42/980x626/gallery-1476816492-17872587-980x1200-0.jpg
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By: Blitzo - 20th October 2016 at 22:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is assuming the flare ejectors are behind enclosed panels like on other fighter aircraft and thus very difficult to identify.
Personally I'm not sure if those things on the tail are flare ejectors, and if they are, I'm not sure if that means we should expect any ventral flare ejectors to be easily identifiable or if they may be behind panels.
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 21st October 2016 at 06:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
pattern looks Russian but the paint type looks a lot like this
rather than
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By: MSphere - 21st October 2016 at 12:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And?
By: Anonymous - 21st October 2016 at 19:17 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
I'm fairly certain that they are chaff/flare dispensers - zoom in to about 300% on the photo of the J-20 in primer and you can even barely discern the individual tubes.
There may be additional dispensers behind doors on the underside of course, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a 90%ish chance Byoin was talking BS when he said I was incorrect.
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By: QuantumFX - 21st October 2016 at 20:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
few more. Zhuhai Airshow (Air Show China) 2016 will be from 01-06 November. Hopefully we will get some official specifications on the J-20 (though I admit its unlikely).
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By: foxmulder_ms - 21st October 2016 at 23:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Kisses..
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By: Blitzo - 22nd October 2016 at 00:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, well I think your mistake was taking Byoin's posts with any sort of seriousness to begin with :p
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 22nd October 2016 at 01:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
find one that is not overly saturated on photoshop
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 22nd October 2016 at 01:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
lol what a flip flopper. first you agree with Mr. Chinabot's post doubting they were flare ejectors, and after a neutral person proved both of you wrong, then you switch your position lol.
reminds me a lot about the claims of the J-20 not being the same size as the Flanker until Quantum and a bunch of others showed that they were the same, using the same exact sattelite image the naysayers used
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By: Byoin - 22nd October 2016 at 01:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
ok Jo Asukura, I don't know why Russian posters keep coming here dismissing Chinese aircraft. A lot of Chinese and non-Chinese like Blitzo enjoy normal conversation and news here and we care about facts
the J-20 is only slightly longer than f-22. it just LOOKS longer because the f-22 has a huge reflective tail. If it had a smaller tail like the j-20, it would also Look long. for example
the longest and largest aircraft are always Russian. the PAKFA is longer and bigger than the j-20 and the f-22. especially because of its tandem bays.