By: Deino
- 23rd October 2016 at 14:52Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed ... the trolls have taken over !!
Anyway a bit back to topic even if a decent discussion seems to be impossible here:
Harpia Publishing opened a new page rated to my two books and all updates concerning the PLAAF ... I will add from time to time the latest Orbat-updates; maybe someone's interested: The first three are already up!
By: Byoin
- 23rd October 2016 at 15:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed ... the trolls have taken over !!
Anyway a bit back to topic even if a decent discussion seems to be impossible here:
Harpia Publishing opened a new page rated to my two books and all updates concerning the PLAAF ... I will add from time to time the latest Orbat-updates; maybe someone's interested: The first three are already up!
lol, dude!!!
you should get rid of that link! it's not cool.
although thanks for the free PDF!
its a compilation of all the pics found on this forum and others, and others peoples analysis.
but remove the link, some people make a living on books.
By: Blitzo
- 23rd October 2016 at 22:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting that one vent (inlet meshed grid on the side) is occulted by a screwed panel.
Look at other pictures -- there are two of those hexagonal "vents" on each side of the aircraft, and they are fitted on in the same way for all four... Some angles makes one vent look more obvious, because of the slight canting of the intake at that location.
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By: Byoin
- 24th October 2016 at 02:41Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting that one vent (inlet meshed grid on the side) is occulted by a screwed panel.
Also no stealth paint on that one (I don't see any filler).
what do you mean no stealth paint? did you see the picture posted by fox mulder? you can see it more clearly there
By: Y-20 Bacon
- 24th October 2016 at 08:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Few more J-20:
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this angle is actually very nice. the pakfa style splinter camoflage and the light colored edges help break up the large body of the plane into smaller parts that make the plane look much nicer.
so any ideas where the first squadron will be placed? Towards Taiwan? Japan? or Vietnam?
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 24th October 2016 at 08:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Also no stealth paint on that one (I don't see any filler).
yep, we can see it doesn't use stealth paint..
or at least the same stealth paint as the f-35. it could be using a different kind.
but its closer to the type used by late model f-16s and black rafale.
By: noble
- 26th October 2016 at 17:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Is it feasible to put one PL-12 on the intake hardpoint and leave the middle wing pylon for a heavy air to ground munition? Making it more multi role..
By: TomcatViP
- 26th October 2016 at 17:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yep, we can see it doesn't use stealth paint..
or at least the same stealth paint as the f-35. it could be using a different kind.
but its closer to the type used by late model f-16s and black rafale.
They are using the same engraved serrated wedges on the trailing surface as on the Rafale. Same technology, this is for sure.
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By: Deino - 23rd October 2016 at 14:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed ... the trolls have taken over !!
Anyway a bit back to topic even if a decent discussion seems to be impossible here:
Harpia Publishing opened a new page rated to my two books and all updates concerning the PLAAF ... I will add from time to time the latest Orbat-updates; maybe someone's interested: The first three are already up!
https://www.facebook.com/Modern-Chinese-Warplanes-611223845748378/posts/
Comments and critics are always welcome,
Deino
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By: Byoin - 23rd October 2016 at 15:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
hi deino. thank you for your interest in Chinese aviation and contribution.
I don't know you well but is this your book?
http://ur-books.com/?p=2977
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 23rd October 2016 at 15:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
lol, dude!!!
you should get rid of that link! it's not cool.
although thanks for the free PDF!
its a compilation of all the pics found on this forum and others, and others peoples analysis.
but remove the link, some people make a living on books.
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By: Deino - 23rd October 2016 at 15:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes ... but sadly still with the first cover-proposal we sent to the publisher. The final one is this ....
https://www.amazon.com/Dragons-Wings-Chinese-Aircraft-Development/dp/1906537364/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423012041&sr=8-1&keywords=Dragon%27s+Wings
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/ref/cp/book_cp_dragon.shtml
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By: KGB - 23rd October 2016 at 16:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The topic is the J 20. A Chinese 5th gen fighter with Russian engines. It is conceivable that there would be discussion about China and Russia here.
The only issue is posters who try and make it about said countries economies.
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By: foxmulder_ms - 23rd October 2016 at 21:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
4K big screen on J-20. :D
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By: TomcatViP - 23rd October 2016 at 21:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting that one vent (inlet meshed grid on the side) is occulted by a screwed panel.
Also no stealth paint on that one (I don't see any filler).
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By: Blitzo - 23rd October 2016 at 22:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Look at other pictures -- there are two of those hexagonal "vents" on each side of the aircraft, and they are fitted on in the same way for all four... Some angles makes one vent look more obvious, because of the slight canting of the intake at that location.
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By: Byoin - 24th October 2016 at 02:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
what do you mean no stealth paint? did you see the picture posted by fox mulder? you can see it more clearly there
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By: TomcatViP - 24th October 2016 at 03:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
@Blitzo: Perhaps you are right. But the meshing would be really tight.
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By: QuantumFX - 24th October 2016 at 05:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Red Arrows have arrived at Zhuhai:
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By: QuantumFX - 24th October 2016 at 05:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Few more J-20:
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]249239[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249241[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249238[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249235[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249236[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249237[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249234[/ATTACH]
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 24th October 2016 at 08:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
this angle is actually very nice. the pakfa style splinter camoflage and the light colored edges help break up the large body of the plane into smaller parts that make the plane look much nicer.
so any ideas where the first squadron will be placed? Towards Taiwan? Japan? or Vietnam?
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 24th October 2016 at 08:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yep, we can see it doesn't use stealth paint..
or at least the same stealth paint as the f-35. it could be using a different kind.
but its closer to the type used by late model f-16s and black rafale.
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By: QuantumFX - 25th October 2016 at 11:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
J-10B has arrived at Zhuhai: I think static display only. 4x PL-12 training rounds on dual-rack pylons.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249256[/ATTACH]
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By: Byoin - 25th October 2016 at 13:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
a very serious air to air platform it is becoming
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By: noble - 26th October 2016 at 17:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Is it feasible to put one PL-12 on the intake hardpoint and leave the middle wing pylon for a heavy air to ground munition? Making it more multi role..
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By: TomcatViP - 26th October 2016 at 17:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They are using the same engraved serrated wedges on the trailing surface as on the Rafale. Same technology, this is for sure.
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By: TR1 - 27th October 2016 at 21:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: TR1 - 28th October 2016 at 00:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some very interesting info.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2212133.html
China ordered 224 D-30KP2 engines from Saturn in July 2016, worth about 660 million USD.
Previously China bought 55 D-30KP2 from 2009-2011, and 184 engines of the type from a contract in September 2011.
Since 2009 China has bought 463 D-30KP2 from Saturn.