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If Waitrose was included, even I'd be worried. If this part of Project Fear results in KFC, McDonald's and other fat providers closing - hurrah !

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Yes, because there are no local producers of milk and bread. Oh wait, yes there are.

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What people should be asking about is the free trade deal offered by Tusk on March 7th 2018 a Canada Plus Trade Deal with all the bells and whistles...

Nothing is spoken about it, apart from the sound of silence from the Parliament overlords...

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John

Your propensity for meaningless drivel hasn't abated in 2 years I see?. Still using whole paragraphs to say nothing and then contradicting that!. At least there recognisable continuity.

In one breath you foretell the imminent demise of the EU with no small degree of smugness and then, with the skill of a politician, you reverse your position to say that trading will continue undiminished. Bright observation that one.

Then you fall back on the old hackneyed line about control....as if the first action the Govt actually took hadn't been to crystalise the current bank of EU laws into UK law. Then we come on to 'freedom' - that clarion call of the clueless!.Perhaps like the freedom that the homeless guy in the soup kitchen line has...does he have the bread roll today or not....how he must savour his freedom to make that decision?.

Then you, sagely, state that none of these problems are existant anyway. Carry on shouting into the wind John you'll get there one day old boy!.

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"It (sic) Waitrose was included even I'd be worried....."

The article clearly names them as included.

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Jonesy, What a very eloquent and accurate observation.

Otis, exactly, but he’s not one to let facts and evidence get in the way of his biases.

However, as Waitrose have their logistics and deliveries carried out by the Brexit unicorns they are not in need of the same roads, rail, ports and customs procedures as the other establishments.

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Well obviously Waitrose will be in difficulty given that the banks and Merrill Lynch are moving overseas.

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Jonesy,

If you must 'shoot the messenger' don't distort the message ! The message was clear, trading and commerce will continue despite the absence of this 'deal/no deal' nonsense. There is too much at stake for anyone to close the factory or the dock gates. I appreciate and like invective - of quality. Yours is below par. You appear to drift in a 'fog' perhaps induced by your brand of politics. That's a guess. What isn't guesswork is that the EU, by any meaningful measure is tottering towards extinction.

Unless some kind of financial miracle is magiced into place, Italy is shortly to follow Greece into financial instability of perhaps irrecoverable depth, this time unsupported by quantitative easing, which solution - postponement at best - is now discounted by both the ECB and the GFB.

Otis.

Waitrose wasn't mentioned by AK in his #2904.

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It's covered in full in that link in that post. Waitrose too. It's actually been fairly widely reported if you choose to look elsewhere for confirmation.

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What is the truth about the flow over that border then? It can't be far off, there are only 4m people in ROI and 1.5m in NI, compared to 500m for the EU. I'd be surprised if the cross border trade amounted to anything remotely significant.

The way I see it, if the EU drops the backstop, it probably gets its money and the ability to maintain its export surplus with the UK, whereas if there's no deal, then the EU doesn't get its money, or the ability to maintain its export surplus with the UK and still doesn't get the backstop.

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How stupid are these people? Sad thing his intellectually challenged groupies will believe this....

....much like those who support the EU, but don't understand it's purpose, who set it up, and who pushed the UK into joining it.

("It's all about trade", "It's the greatest peace project ever", "It makes us European", "It's democratic" ,"Their laws are better" etc.) :highly_amused: :(

Debating Brexit, Gerard Batten vs two remainers

So it's interesting after the last few days events in our parliament, it now seems that the EU is now favoring the default legal position of a no deal!

EU now favouring No-Deal Brexit over Negotiating!

Cheers

Paul

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"What is the truth about the flow over that border then? It can't be far off, there are only 4m people in ROI and 1.5m in NI, compared to 500m for the EU. I'd be surprised if the cross border trade amounted to anything remotely significant."

It's over 1000 per day and 30,000 people per day cross to work. I'd call that significant. Also spending a lot of time in Dublin with my work and talking with people it's noticeable but hardly surprising, how much this means to both sides ot the border.

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Mr BS (isn't that the truth...) seems the rhetoric has swung from "it'll be the easiest deal ever, we'll be better off, project fear etc. etc." to quoting Churchill...... I do wish these idiots would move on from WW2 in tearing up Airbus press briefs etc. etc. How can this alleged great future be just that if people are still living in the past :rolleyes:

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Not so much 'living in the past' as drawing lessons from it. You know - or, perhaps you don't, the old axiom: Draw lessons from the past or, risk repeating it. For example: I'm old enough to remember a more settled and peaceful British society. No drug crime, no gun crime, no knife crime, no lack of clarity on gender and so on, virtually no crime by comparison with current statistical evidence. There have been huge changes to the structure of British society - most of them detrimental.

As for tor your Airbus reference ! I cannot recall a single instance of a more protracted and determined campaign of intimidation directed against a majority of the British public and named Project Fear. Ranging from threats against specific TV programs and their threatened disappearance, to British soccer teams being unable to play in European tournaments. The list is extensive and inventive and because of the frequency with which it is announced - doomed to fail. The great GB public with their demonstrated commonsense and resistance to intimidation are hoisting two fingers.

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JG, you seem unable to grasp that it's a very simple business decision, and continue to spread these project fear lies and blame the EU, " Johhny foreigners" etc. etc. for what is simply a disastrous policy, an abysmal lack of plan and management of Brexit.

If, as it currently stands, it will cost Airbus 10% tax, and/or incur additional logistics costs and effort then simply they will look to reduce the overheads to be able to compete in the world market with the likes of Boeing. I know it’s difficult for the narrow-minded little England brexiteer to remember there’s a modern and competitive 21st century world out there.

True to form as D (for Disaster) Day nears, all blame for the abject and embarrassing failure is directed by the aforementioned brexiteers away from the truth, from yourselves and this act of self-harm, to the EU and anybody else. It just no longer holds any weight or validity now, own it, you wanted it, you voted for it.

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"It's over 1000 per day and 30,000 people per day cross to work. I'd call that significant. Also spending a lot of time in Dublin with my work and talking with people it's noticeable but hardly surprising, how much this means to both sides ot the border."

I don't see any need to prevent them crossing the border to work and 1000 lorries is still a small number relatively speaking. I think the '100' number refers to the number of NI companies making deliveries. In any case the total trade is only £2.7bn one way and £4bn the other, hardly significant in global terms and very unlikely to yield any complaints to the WTO from non-EU countries.