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AK

There are matters which 'I am unable to grasp'. There are at least two, both relatively unimportant. The first is the confusion that drifts like a wobbly thread thru' your meanderings. Your use of hypothesised contradictions tells me that you're inventing 'meat on the bone' because there isn't much real meat. Inventing scenarios wildly unconnected with reality and coupling them to imaginative statistics doesn't make a case of any substance. Don't try to disguise opinion.

The other matter concerns mendacious and morally corrupt politicians who are aware that there is no alternative, the will of the electorate must be discharged according to democratic vote yet, who persist in trying to cobble together an alternative means of frustrating and defeating seemingly by any means possible, that democratic mandate.

Those of us who, irrespective of the Brexit outcome, value the prize of democratic accountability, must make sure that come the next general election scores will be settled, accounts will be paid by those who tried to frustrate and deny the democratic process every which way they could.

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I don't see any need to prevent them crossing the border to work and 1000 lorries is still a small number relatively speaking. I think the '100' number refers to the number of NI companies making deliveries. In any case the total trade is only £2.7bn one way and £4bn the other, hardly significant in global terms and very unlikely to yield any complaints to the WTO from non-EU countries.

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You're missing the point completely, it's not about prevention, it's about having an open border which came with the peace agreement. Any change to that will undermine and end that agreement which will not be good for anyone. If you don't know why this is so impoertant then refer to your history books.

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Absolutely JG, it's good you see sense sometimes through the fogginess of your confusion.

I hope and firmly believe that the morally corrupt politicians will be dealt with, those who peddled lies, those who put party before country, those who's motivations are pure self-interest and financial, those who stirred up hate.

You know what, always at the back of my mind with all this, and this blind mantra of "will of the people", we will leave on March 29th, without so much as a plan or idea, firmly smacks of those self-same people who have self-interested financial concerns that will be exposed for the reality they are when EU law changes "coincidentally" on the same date.

Your “meanderings” paragraph did make me smile, you perfectly described yourself there! But this silly view that you cling to of myth and fear, is reality, it’s there, irrefutable fact, which if you don’t want to face then that weakens your already frail argument.

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"You're missing the point completely, it's not about prevention, it's about having an open border which came with the peace agreement. Any change to that will undermine and end that agreement which will not be good for anyone. If you don't know why this is so impoertant then refer to your history books."

Respectfully, I think you've missed my point. I don't see any need to not have an open border, even if there is a no deal exit. As I said, the trade is so small and is economically distance to non-EU nations, so non-EU nations are very unlikely to complain about the open border to the WTO. And EU nations and the EU itself will have to reconcile themselves with the fact the border is open. It really doesn't require a separate backstop agreement, the Good Friday Deal is the backstop, the border remains open deal or no deal. The only people who want to close it in the event of a no deal are EU zealots who harp on about the integrity of the single market blah blah blah.

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May I add a postscript to the above?

"The only people who want to close it........"

Are not only those EU zealots who bang on about the integrity of the single market but, also those same zealots who would impose conditions every which way and how, that would for all time prevent the extraction of GB from this discredited, totalitarian cabal.

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And one has to ask how would the Irish border issue would have been dealt with if we had never been members of the EU, Good Friday agreement or no Good Friday agreement?

Cheers

Paul

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Or one doesn’t have to ask as af the time the UK was an EU member so it never was a consideration.

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It’s happening already, this’ll please you JG.

If you think that's bad, please review how the majority tf Scotiish independence voters think in this thread. Follow the posts between Lieven and Tizer.

http://themess.net/forum/political-discussion/158853-brexit-thread?p=389330#post389330

Scottish indie voters think that they only have 60+% of their exports registered as going to the UK because they pass through the UK on their way out. Even when this is proven wrong, they still persist. I always wondered how they got to 45%.

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Oh dear, seems Nige was wrong here......

The government need to start unveiling some plans for proposed non-tariff barriers on EU vehicle imports in the event of a no deal. Because at the moment these guys are assuming it won't be too difficult to export cars back into the UK.

The unfulfilled market demand for vehicles in the UK will be 2.3m following Brexit and in the EU it will only be 800,000.
https://www.acea.be/statistics/article/motor-vehicle-trade-between-the-uk-and-main-eu-partners

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Could be due to uncontrolled immigration. I understand that there is no medical screening.

Far more seriously, I understand from my man on the inside, that the imminent disappearance of Strictly from our screens is threatened. Now that is serious.

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Given that we haven't left yet, how is that anything to do with Brexit? If anything this could be prevented by following the suggestion on the red bus.

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You've lost me there JG, I'm not a prolific watcher of the mainstream channels that in the main seem to aim for the lowest common denominator. Enlighten me as to what this "strictly" is?!

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C'mon AK catch up. Strictly Come Dancing ! Upon our removal from the loving embrace of the EU, the threat of its instant removal from our screens - according to Project Fear experts, poses a calamity equal to a world wide outbreak of ebola or, Spanish flu or, other pandemic of lethal proportions.

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I'd have voted out just to see SCD gone, even if I really liked the EU.

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Could there ever be a more emphatic message of support than Mr. Tusk's splenetic outburst ? This single comment has done more for the Leave campaign than several truck loads of Leave rhetoric.

"A special place in Hell", I can think of no finer example of a politicians words more likely to haunt their future career than this very fine example. Are there certain characteristics attached to politicians with the first name of Donald ?

One thing above all is certain. The Leave campaign has been re-invigorated and refreshed by this remarkably spiteful tirade. And they are supposed to be our friends and allies !

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From your own favorite tabloid yesterday John,

Since when did Brexiteers become such a bunch of pearl-clutching snowflakes? Has it really come to this that the lion-hearted warriors for Britain’s independence have been reduced to a gaggle of maiden aunts with the vapours?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ng-snowflakes/
Makes a change for them, but as is often the case, the majority pro brexshyte press deliberately misrepresented what was said. It was aimed at pro brexshyte polititians prior to the vote, not those who voted for leaving the eu
another perspective to provide some much needed balance
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-tusk-brexit-comments-brexiteers-theresa-may-rees-mogg-boris-johnson-a8767906.html