Can someone explained to me why MIg-23 is often seen as a failure unlike Mig-21 or Mig-29
Not really considered a complete failure. Most of those countries which received aircraft from the Soviet Union were short of cash after the Cold War. They could barely afford to operate the MiG-21 - never mind the much more complex and high-powered MiG-23 - the '23' had to go...
MiG-23 early modifications had insufficient maneuverability. MiG-23ML and later one of the best fighters in its class
That's wrong. I don't think anyone was really complaining about the MiG-23's turning ability - it was hardly any worse than that of an F-4 - and whatever improvements were made to its maneuverability in later versions it was still not the 'best in class'.
USG spent $ billions to fly and maintain MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-21 and SU-27 under Constant Peg and other programs. Why spend that much money if they were failures?
By: TomcatViP
- 17th August 2019 at 19:50Permalink
Don't believe fake news.
USG spent $ billions to fly and maintain MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-21 and SU-27 under Constant Peg and other programs. Why spend that much money if they were failures?
By: nastle
- 18th August 2019 at 16:06Permalink- Edited 18th August 2019 at 16:07
MiG-23 early modifications had insufficient maneuverability. MiG-23ML and later one of the best fighters in its class
The quote from the Polish book is not mine, the name of this book is unknown to me
no worries
so are you quoting the production figures of
1300 mig-23M
1100 mig-23MLA
300 mig-23P
750 mig-23ML
directly from the red banner factory statistics
i was wondering as Airforces weekly say that MLA and ML were not different production and BOTH togather were under 1000
but Military balance in 1983 mention 2,100 fighter version mig-23M/ML/P/MLA in service with PVO + VVS
which one do you think is more accurate ? military balance ?
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By: mig-31bm - 9th August 2019 at 21:57 Permalink - Edited 9th August 2019 at 21:57
Can someone explained to me why MIg-23 is often seen as a failure unlike Mig-21 or Mig-29
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By: nastle - 17th August 2019 at 01:47 Permalink
Usaf evaluation of mig23MS
bekea valley and its wrong conclusion in western mediap
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By: paralay - 17th August 2019 at 08:39 Permalink
MiG-23 early modifications had insufficient maneuverability. MiG-23ML and later one of the best fighters in its class
The quote from the Polish book is not mine, the name of this book is unknown to me
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By: Levsha - 17th August 2019 at 09:30 Permalink
Not really considered a complete failure. Most of those countries which received aircraft from the Soviet Union were short of cash after the Cold War. They could barely afford to operate the MiG-21 - never mind the much more complex and high-powered MiG-23 - the '23' had to go...
That's wrong. I don't think anyone was really complaining about the MiG-23's turning ability - it was hardly any worse than that of an F-4 - and whatever improvements were made to its maneuverability in later versions it was still not the 'best in class'.
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By: Levsha - 17th August 2019 at 09:36 Permalink
Polish book? Probably by Piotr Bukowski.
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By: TR1 - 17th August 2019 at 18:30 Permalink
Because Western sources make lots of silly claims re. Soviet hardware.
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By: djcross - 17th August 2019 at 19:26 Permalink
Don't believe fake news.
USG spent $ billions to fly and maintain MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-21 and SU-27 under Constant Peg and other programs. Why spend that much money if they were failures?
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By: TomcatViP - 17th August 2019 at 19:50 Permalink
15000 sorties generated.
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By: nastle - 18th August 2019 at 16:06 Permalink - Edited 18th August 2019 at 16:07
no worries
so are you quoting the production figures of
1300 mig-23M
1100 mig-23MLA
300 mig-23P
750 mig-23ML
directly from the red banner factory statistics
i was wondering as Airforces weekly say that MLA and ML were not different production and BOTH togather were under 1000
but Military balance in 1983 mention 2,100 fighter version mig-23M/ML/P/MLA in service with PVO + VVS
which one do you think is more accurate ? military balance ?