By: stealthflanker
- 1st September 2019 at 18:59Permalink
So Zhukovsky-AE-AR only for the export MiG-35? VVS MiG-35s will continue to have the MSA Zhuk then?
AFAIK They desire something with 280 km detection range. Which unfortunately MiG airframe cannot seem to cool.
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By: panzerfeist1
- 1st September 2019 at 19:16Permalink- Edited 1st September 2019 at 22:35
"AFAIK They desire something with 280 km detection range. Which unfortunately MiG airframe cannot seem to cool."
Zhuk did in the past say they have improved the detection ranges for certain targets like saying 3m2 at 250kms
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The Indian requirement according to Guskov was 130kms for a 3m2 target unless you got sources that those requirements have changed? EDIT: If the requirements were for a 3m2 at 250km(do not know if they are doing narrow or the whole 120 degree azimuth radar band calculation) that would probably cost a little more money than what the Indians required for at a 130km range. Also there is a reason why Egypt was offered the PESA version maybe they would have re-considered the purchase if the zhuk AE-ER was presented at an earlier time.
ZHUKOVSLY /Moscow Region/, August 29. /TASS/. Russia’s Radio-Electronic Technologies Group (KRET) is holding state trials of a next-generation electronic warfare system, Adviser to the KRET First Deputy CEO Vladimir Mikheyev said at the MAKS-2019 international aerospace show on Thursday.
"Based on the experience of operating existing systems, we are now developing a principally new electronic warfare system. It is at the stage of state trials. As soon as they are over, the system will go into production," he said.
This is sort of like an addition to my last source I have found where they say they can reveal certain equipment at the aviation airshow. But there talks of photonics in there 2018 article has already hinted what that new fundamental EW system will have. Not really surprised what they are trying to hint.
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By: Anonymous
- 1st September 2019 at 22:20Permalink- Edited 1st September 2019 at 22:20
Just noticed a couple more new details about the MiG-35, it has LED landing lights...
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Another issue with hypersonic vehicles is avionics/systems cooling. A hypersonic missile, with total flight time of <15 minutes, can use thermal heat sink or evaporative cooling for avionics. A long duration hypersonic drone or manned vehicle requires a cooling system which can operate up to an hour+. Even exotic systems like the Space Shuttle ammonia boiler was marginal for systems cooling. Your expensive hypersonic airplane is useless if the avionics stop working because they got too hot.
By: framige
- 2nd September 2019 at 02:59Permalink- Edited 2nd September 2019 at 03:04
@Trident
Just noticed a couple more new details about the MiG-35, it has LED landing lights...
Yes, like the SU-57 prototypes starting with 056 and also the Su-57E on static display.
and a single pane wide-angle HuD
Yes again and it is interesting to notice that the same HuD is visible on the Su-57E.
Remains to see if it is part of the "downgraded" equipments for the export version or if it will become standard on the production ones. However the HuD on the "standard" Su-57 protos is also single pane but of a different larger type... wait and see.
LMFS , On Mig-41 program the last boss of Almaz-Antey Igor Ashurbeyli had said in an interview that the next generation SAM that they were working on wont be land based but will be only Air Based.
This was way back in 2011 when he was boss but he didnt revel more details.
Likely besides being an interceptor the Mig-41 will Lug along the next generation SAM in their underbelly to take on ASAT and BM targets , Flying High and Fast has the advantage that you can travel many 100 km in many minutes and dont waste energy in booster to take your SAM to tens of Km in Altitude making you SAM smaller in Size and Weight.
Also the possibility that Mig-41 will carry laser based weapon cannot be ruled out either.
You'll have to ask [USER="1724"]djcross[/USER], he first mentioned this.
"Countering" something doesn't involve matching every performance number. Su-27 was made in response to F-15 but has lower top speed and doesn't out turn F-15 in every part of the envelope. .[/QUOTE] unless Su-27 and F-15 similarly equipped with same protection level. Su-27 carry big wingtip pods. Su-35 maximum speed given at 11,000m. acceleration Mach 0.6 to Mach 1.2 about 21 second at 1000m. presumable with 4AAMs at 50% fuel.. There is now where written this maximum speed at all altitude and all weights..
If Su-27SM is lighter than Su-35 and still equipped with upgraded engine. it will produce similar or better result. http://www.knaapo.ru/products/su-35/
LMFS , On Mig-41 program the last boss of Almaz-Antey Igor Ashurbeyli had said in an interview that the next generation SAM that they were working on wont be land based but will be only Air Based.
The S in SAM stands for surface... it's a surface to air missile. If carried by an aircraft, a missile is not a SAM but an AAM - an air to air missile.
Besides, AAMs are no replacement for SAMs. Each system has advantages and disadvantages. Obviously an AAM doesn't need a booster to get off the ground. But then it needs an aircraft...
Is this the same guy who's fantasizing about a Mach 4 interceptor? Probably has seen Firefox too many times. :highly_amused:
LMFS , On Mig-41 program the last boss of Almaz-Antey Igor Ashurbeyli had said in an interview that the next generation SAM that they were working on wont be land based but will be only Air Based.
This was way back in 2011 when he was boss but he didnt revel more details.
Likely besides being an interceptor the Mig-41 will Lug along the next generation SAM in their underbelly to take on ASAT and BM targets , Flying High and Fast has the advantage that you can travel many 100 km in many minutes and dont waste energy in booster to take your SAM to tens of Km in Altitude making you SAM smaller in Size and Weight.
Also the possibility that Mig-41 will carry laser based weapon cannot be ruled out either.
Thanks for the info Austin, I was not aware of that statement and it fits perfectly with the stated aim of making MiG-41 even faster and higher flying than MiG-31. If it is going to operate as a mobile AD launcher, the faster it moves, the more holes in the land based AD it covers, and the smaller the missiles need to be.
A missile launched from say 25 km altitude at 4 M is going to reach massive speeds or can even just coast for huge ranges to hunt enemy fighters flying between 10 and 20 km high, therefore the practical engagement zone of the interceptor will be increased many times.
- Did you drop in air defense-pro-vko tomorrow today?
- Why drop in. I think that the nomenclature of aerospace defense weapons currently in development is comprehensive. In addition to the above funds and their subsequent upgrades, there will be no others on earth.
- I.e…?
- That is, the following weapons will not be land-based, but air. The following systems, which will appear after the S-500, will be air-based.
Some of them are also already under development and are being tested.
What I can see from the article is that the MiG-35 is also getting the R-37 long range missile, that is good news for the MiG-35. :applause: But here is one question, how many R-37's will the MiG-35 be able to carry? :confused:
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By: stealthflanker - 1st September 2019 at 18:59 Permalink
AFAIK They desire something with 280 km detection range. Which unfortunately MiG airframe cannot seem to cool.
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By: panzerfeist1 - 1st September 2019 at 19:16 Permalink - Edited 1st September 2019 at 22:35
"AFAIK They desire something with 280 km detection range. Which unfortunately MiG airframe cannot seem to cool."
Zhuk did in the past say they have improved the detection ranges for certain targets like saying 3m2 at 250kms
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The Indian requirement according to Guskov was 130kms for a 3m2 target unless you got sources that those requirements have changed? EDIT: If the requirements were for a 3m2 at 250km(do not know if they are doing narrow or the whole 120 degree azimuth radar band calculation) that would probably cost a little more money than what the Indians required for at a 130km range. Also there is a reason why Egypt was offered the PESA version maybe they would have re-considered the purchase if the zhuk AE-ER was presented at an earlier time.
https://tass.com/defense/1075613
electronic warfare systems
ZHUKOVSLY /Moscow Region/, August 29. /TASS/. Russia’s Radio-Electronic Technologies Group (KRET) is holding state trials of a next-generation electronic warfare system, Adviser to the KRET First Deputy CEO Vladimir Mikheyev said at the MAKS-2019 international aerospace show on Thursday.
"Based on the experience of operating existing systems, we are now developing a principally new electronic warfare system. It is at the stage of state trials. As soon as they are over, the system will go into production," he said.
This is sort of like an addition to my last source I have found where they say they can reveal certain equipment at the aviation airshow. But there talks of photonics in there 2018 article has already hinted what that new fundamental EW system will have. Not really surprised what they are trying to hint.
By: Anonymous - 1st September 2019 at 22:20 Permalink - Edited 1st September 2019 at 22:20
Just noticed a couple more new details about the MiG-35, it has LED landing lights...
and a single pane wide-angle HuD:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1Q...BYQ1FhSExnZ0FB
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By: LMFS - 2nd September 2019 at 00:33 Permalink
4 M is not hypersonic
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By: framige - 2nd September 2019 at 02:59 Permalink - Edited 2nd September 2019 at 03:04
@Trident
Just noticed a couple more new details about the MiG-35, it has LED landing lights...
Yes, like the SU-57 prototypes starting with 056 and also the Su-57E on static display.
and a single pane wide-angle HuD
Yes again and it is interesting to notice that the same HuD is visible on the Su-57E.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zL...k=w931-h620-no
Remains to see if it is part of the "downgraded" equipments for the export version or if it will become standard on the production ones. However the HuD on the "standard" Su-57 protos is also single pane but of a different larger type... wait and see.
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By: medal64 - 3rd September 2019 at 08:06 Permalink - Edited 3rd September 2019 at 10:00
Best cockpit views of the new Mig-35 yet;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG_afCkBDQA
And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P91wJvS7cyw
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By: Austin - 3rd September 2019 at 08:49 Permalink
LMFS , On Mig-41 program the last boss of Almaz-Antey Igor Ashurbeyli had said in an interview that the next generation SAM that they were working on wont be land based but will be only Air Based.
This was way back in 2011 when he was boss but he didnt revel more details.
Likely besides being an interceptor the Mig-41 will Lug along the next generation SAM in their underbelly to take on ASAT and BM targets , Flying High and Fast has the advantage that you can travel many 100 km in many minutes and dont waste energy in booster to take your SAM to tens of Km in Altitude making you SAM smaller in Size and Weight.
Also the possibility that Mig-41 will carry laser based weapon cannot be ruled out either.
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By: Austin - 3rd September 2019 at 13:12 Permalink
Photos: MAX-2019: MS-21 completed a half-barrel
https://aviation21.ru/maks-2019-ms-21-vypolnil-polubochku/
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By: Austin - 3rd September 2019 at 13:16 Permalink
Not RuAF but still interesting
МС 21 премьера самолета на авиасалоне МАКС 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD90hK12J8
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By: Austin - 3rd September 2019 at 13:24 Permalink
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By: JSR - 3rd September 2019 at 18:21 Permalink
[QUOTE=RadDisconnect;n3872354]
You'll have to ask [USER="1724"]djcross[/USER], he first mentioned this.
"Countering" something doesn't involve matching every performance number. Su-27 was made in response to F-15 but has lower top speed and doesn't out turn F-15 in every part of the envelope.
.[/QUOTE]
unless Su-27 and F-15 similarly equipped with same protection level. Su-27 carry big wingtip pods.
Su-35 maximum speed given at 11,000m. acceleration Mach 0.6 to Mach 1.2 about 21 second at 1000m. presumable with 4AAMs at 50% fuel.. There is now where written this maximum speed at all altitude and all weights..
If Su-27SM is lighter than Su-35 and still equipped with upgraded engine. it will produce similar or better result.
http://www.knaapo.ru/products/su-35/
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By: eagle - 3rd September 2019 at 19:06 Permalink
The S in SAM stands for surface... it's a surface to air missile. If carried by an aircraft, a missile is not a SAM but an AAM - an air to air missile.
Besides, AAMs are no replacement for SAMs. Each system has advantages and disadvantages. Obviously an AAM doesn't need a booster to get off the ground. But then it needs an aircraft...
Is this the same guy who's fantasizing about a Mach 4 interceptor? Probably has seen Firefox too many times. :highly_amused:
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By: stealthflanker - 3rd September 2019 at 20:28 Permalink
He might refer to put an AAM but based on SAM's. Basically similar to air launched version of S-25 Berkut.
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By: LMFS - 4th September 2019 at 00:51 Permalink
Thanks for the info Austin, I was not aware of that statement and it fits perfectly with the stated aim of making MiG-41 even faster and higher flying than MiG-31. If it is going to operate as a mobile AD launcher, the faster it moves, the more holes in the land based AD it covers, and the smaller the missiles need to be.
A missile launched from say 25 km altitude at 4 M is going to reach massive speeds or can even just coast for huge ranges to hunt enemy fighters flying between 10 and 20 km high, therefore the practical engagement zone of the interceptor will be increased many times.
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By: Austin - 4th September 2019 at 04:50 Permalink - Edited 4th September 2019 at 07:58
LMFS Here is the interview
https://ria.ru/20110815/417675459.html
- Did you drop in air defense-pro-vko tomorrow today?
- Why drop in. I think that the nomenclature of aerospace defense weapons currently in development is comprehensive. In addition to the above funds and their subsequent upgrades, there will be no others on earth.
- I.e…?
- That is, the following weapons will not be land-based, but air. The following systems, which will appear after the S-500, will be air-based.
Some of them are also already under development and are being tested.
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By: Austin - 4th September 2019 at 07:58 Permalink - Edited 4th September 2019 at 08:00
As this is in Russian any thing interesting he states about PD-14 Engine in both these interviews ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7k7b83jMdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXNVoIxTS5k
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By: Austin - 4th September 2019 at 07:59 Permalink
Prospects for the creation of a new generation aviation complex
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3760814.html
Boris Obnosov on the activities of Tactical Missile Corporation Corporation
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3761577.html
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By: Austin - 4th September 2019 at 18:04 Permalink
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By: ClanWarrior - 4th September 2019 at 19:26 Permalink
What I can see from the article is that the MiG-35 is also getting the R-37 long range missile, that is good news for the MiG-35. :applause: But here is one question, how many R-37's will the MiG-35 be able to carry? :confused:
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By: GromOzekA - 4th September 2019 at 22:23 Permalink
https://st.renderu.com/art/302286
Looks like four is wouldn't be a problem.