By: Swifterr
- 3rd February 2020 at 05:57Permalink
Hello All:
Regarding the A-26(?) wheel currently on Ebay: The same wheel was listed by the same seller in early January for $1200. Initially misidentified as a B-23 (Dragon) wheel. The listing supposedly sold but, as stated, the same seller has it listed now. Not sure what prompted him to bump it up to $3000. That basic wheel design was an OEM item on the A-26, P-61, PV-2, XB-35, B-45 and other aircraft. But that particular wheel is unique in one way--it has a square mount like that used on the B-24 and all the Boeing bombers. Every other such (A-26/P-61) wheel I've ever seen has had a splined mount identical to what was used on the DC-4, DC-6, DC-7 and the post-WWII Convairs. They can be swapped with each other.
I can tell you with certainty that the wheels mounted in the A-26 and PV-2 used the splined mounts. Haven't seen any photos that highlight the mounting provisions for the wheels used in the other aircraft types listed but, based on the switch engravings, I'd guess this may be out of a P-61. Anyone else have thoughts about this? I've attached a photo showing the splined mounting in my A-26 wheel while it was under restoration.
By: Gin Ye Daur
- 7th February 2020 at 18:45Permalink
Hi FB,
Unless the seller has proof it came from a Wyvern, it's just another common AC10300 fitted to a number of other aircraft, mainly Vampire T11 and there were quite a few of them about!
Hi Darrell, it looks more like a Seahawk grip to me, although perhaps they shared grips. I would have thought the Wyvern was fitted with an earlier type of grip, something like a Sea Fury or late mark Spitfire.
By: Gin Ye Daur
- 7th February 2020 at 22:32Permalink
martynp and FB,
The prototype Wyvern did indeed have a Dunlop Mk2 'spade' fitted as it did not have an ejection seat. When the aircraft finally came into service, (with a 'Bang seat') the original 'bang seat friendly' handle would have been the AC-1400 then, with the later marks/modifications the AC-10300 became the final fit for the Wyvern F4. I'm sure 'Wyvernfan' can elaborate further, should he still visit this forum?
The Seahawk grip although, similar in appearance is numbered AC-11232. The only way to tell the identification between the two handles (with no data plate fitted), is to look at the pin/socket configuration inside the handle.
The AC 11232 (from memory), has an extra pin and the configuration of the pin layout is different to the AC 10300.
Hi GYD. Thanks for the clarification. Many moons ago, someone produced a list showing the grip number for various aircraft, which was very useful but of course, when I need it, I can't find it. Does anyone have a copy?
I didn't realise the Wyvern was ever fitted with an ejection seat. This forum produces so many interesting snippets of information.
What I also need is a way of telling the difference between grips fitted to soviet aircraft, particularly the various marks of Mig 21, 23 and 27. I find it very confusing.
MartynP, A forum member does produce a book / document on Spade Grips and gun buttons which includes the relevant Dunlop numbers and picture diagrams etc. I will email you his details or if he sees this thread he could contact you directly. I purchased one last month for a friend, very much recommended.
They also do appear from time to time on that well known addictive worldwide auction site!!!
Martyn P, I am actually in the process of trying to produce a collectors guide to the Dunlop Straight Handles in a similar vein to 'Air Ministry's' Dunlop ring handles, listing the various types, styles and known use. It is a work in progress and new information appears the deeper I delve! However, feel free to PM me with any specific information you may require about these fascinating objects.
By: Brightspark180
- 9th February 2020 at 19:01Permalink
GYD, I would also be very interested in your guide to Dunlop 'straight sticks'. Wish you the best of luck, your knowledge is incredible, and you have already identified numerous stick grips for me. Keep up the good work, I know it is much appreciated, by myself and numerous others.
By: visotka1
- 17th February 2020 at 11:15Permalink
Now I am helping my friend restore the MiG-17. Now the stage of restoration of the cockpit and stick. If anyone has spare parts for this type of aircraft (cockpit), I'm waiting for offers))
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By: Gin Ye Daur - 28th January 2020 at 21:39 Permalink
Ahh! Yes, amend my previous post to read 'anything that actually entered service' !
I forgot about your 'unique' Eaglet trainer Ian!
GYD
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By: FLY.BUY - 30th January 2020 at 09:47 Permalink
A-26 control wheel
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Antique-WWII-ARTIC-CIRCLE-B-26-B-17-Aircraft-Bomber-Trigger-Pilot-Yoke/293450037839?itemId=293450037839&du=1&pageci=b39b5b00-0e6b-4fc4-89c8-3361bc4df67e
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By: ian_ - 30th January 2020 at 22:08 Permalink
Thanks FLY. BUY, you're putting terrible temptation in my way! That is a very nice yoke. Not seen the 'nose guns' decal before.
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By: Swifterr - 3rd February 2020 at 05:57 Permalink
Hello All:
Regarding the A-26(?) wheel currently on Ebay: The same wheel was listed by the same seller in early January for $1200. Initially misidentified as a B-23 (Dragon) wheel. The listing supposedly sold but, as stated, the same seller has it listed now. Not sure what prompted him to bump it up to $3000. That basic wheel design was an OEM item on the A-26, P-61, PV-2, XB-35, B-45 and other aircraft. But that particular wheel is unique in one way--it has a square mount like that used on the B-24 and all the Boeing bombers. Every other such (A-26/P-61) wheel I've ever seen has had a splined mount identical to what was used on the DC-4, DC-6, DC-7 and the post-WWII Convairs. They can be swapped with each other.
I can tell you with certainty that the wheels mounted in the A-26 and PV-2 used the splined mounts. Haven't seen any photos that highlight the mounting provisions for the wheels used in the other aircraft types listed but, based on the switch engravings, I'd guess this may be out of a P-61. Anyone else have thoughts about this? I've attached a photo showing the splined mounting in my A-26 wheel while it was under restoration.
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By: FLY.BUY - 4th February 2020 at 18:01 Permalink
B-17 yoke - Half price
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Boeing-B-17-Flying-Fortress-Yoke/324062762011?hash=item4b73a5541b:g:99gAAOSwr8BeOJVv
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By: FLY.BUY - 7th February 2020 at 07:22 Permalink - Edited 7th February 2020 at 07:23
Westland Wyvern grip on eBay. I’m not too familiar with grips so do please double check this if you are interested.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Westland-Wyvern-Steuerknuppel-AC10300/324063605439?hash=item4b73b232bf:g:XxwAAOSwHv1eObWe
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By: Gin Ye Daur - 7th February 2020 at 18:45 Permalink
Hi FB,
Unless the seller has proof it came from a Wyvern, it's just another common AC10300 fitted to a number of other aircraft, mainly Vampire T11 and there were quite a few of them about!
GYD
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By: martynp - 7th February 2020 at 18:46 Permalink
Hi Darrell, it looks more like a Seahawk grip to me, although perhaps they shared grips. I would have thought the Wyvern was fitted with an earlier type of grip, something like a Sea Fury or late mark Spitfire.
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By: FLY.BUY - 7th February 2020 at 19:19 Permalink - Edited 7th February 2020 at 19:22
Well done Martyn and GYD
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By: Gin Ye Daur - 7th February 2020 at 22:32 Permalink
martynp and FB,
The prototype Wyvern did indeed have a Dunlop Mk2 'spade' fitted as it did not have an ejection seat. When the aircraft finally came into service, (with a 'Bang seat') the original 'bang seat friendly' handle would have been the AC-1400 then, with the later marks/modifications the AC-10300 became the final fit for the Wyvern F4. I'm sure 'Wyvernfan' can elaborate further, should he still visit this forum?
The Seahawk grip although, similar in appearance is numbered AC-11232. The only way to tell the identification between the two handles (with no data plate fitted), is to look at the pin/socket configuration inside the handle.
The AC 11232 (from memory), has an extra pin and the configuration of the pin layout is different to the AC 10300.
GYD
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By: martynp - 8th February 2020 at 14:15 Permalink
Hi GYD. Thanks for the clarification. Many moons ago, someone produced a list showing the grip number for various aircraft, which was very useful but of course, when I need it, I can't find it. Does anyone have a copy?
I didn't realise the Wyvern was ever fitted with an ejection seat. This forum produces so many interesting snippets of information.
What I also need is a way of telling the difference between grips fitted to soviet aircraft, particularly the various marks of Mig 21, 23 and 27. I find it very confusing.
Posts: 1,424
By: FLY.BUY - 8th February 2020 at 14:43 Permalink
MartynP, A forum member does produce a book / document on Spade Grips and gun buttons which includes the relevant Dunlop numbers and picture diagrams etc. I will email you his details or if he sees this thread he could contact you directly. I purchased one last month for a friend, very much recommended.
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By: martynp - 8th February 2020 at 17:30 Permalink
FB - that would be great, thanks.
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By: mark_pilkington - 8th February 2020 at 21:17 Permalink
Has anyone got a RAF Harvard spade grip in any / poor condition that they are interested in selling? Please PM
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By: Gin Ye Daur - 8th February 2020 at 22:26 Permalink
Hi Mark P,
Spitfire spares has a new (old stock) advertised but, not particularly cheap! Scroll down the page:
http://spitfirespares.co.uk/controls.html
They also do appear from time to time on that well known addictive worldwide auction site!!!
Martyn P, I am actually in the process of trying to produce a collectors guide to the Dunlop Straight Handles in a similar vein to 'Air Ministry's' Dunlop ring handles, listing the various types, styles and known use. It is a work in progress and new information appears the deeper I delve! However, feel free to PM me with any specific information you may require about these fascinating objects.
GYD
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By: martynp - 9th February 2020 at 11:54 Permalink
Hi GYD, I look forward very much to seeing the end result of your investigation.
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By: Brightspark180 - 9th February 2020 at 19:01 Permalink
GYD, I would also be very interested in your guide to Dunlop 'straight sticks'. Wish you the best of luck, your knowledge is incredible, and you have already identified numerous stick grips for me. Keep up the good work, I know it is much appreciated, by myself and numerous others.
Posts: 1,424
By: FLY.BUY - 10th February 2020 at 07:56 Permalink
Look forward to such a book GYD, keep us all updated!
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By: visotka1 - 17th February 2020 at 10:36 Permalink
Hello everybody!
I have a new exhibit in the collection. This is a stick of one of the first Su-15, very rare.
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By: visotka1 - 17th February 2020 at 11:15 Permalink
Now I am helping my friend restore the MiG-17. Now the stage of restoration of the cockpit and stick. If anyone has spare parts for this type of aircraft (cockpit), I'm waiting for offers))