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I don't know if somebody already posted this, as its a few weeks old now.

Flybe are dropping the IOM-LCY route, which always used to run BHD-IOM-LCY-JER. Euromanx are taking over IOM-LCY and BHD-IOM. EuroManx are also going to be flying to Southampton.

They will acquire 2 x Avro RJ70.

Other than that, I don't know what their fleet plans are. I haven't seen their ATR42's for a few days - Dutch registered F50's have appeared recently!

The MD of BA CitiExpress met the Isle of Man's Transport Minister recently and BA are reportedly happy with the IOM-MAN and IOM-LGW routes, though I don't personally think they have much of a future. BA will retire the 146 and DHC-8 soon I think, and IOM is too backwards to be capable of regional jets!

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We've been getting the Air Atlantic Metroliner into GLA for the past couple of weeks.

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Well i'm sure a ERJ 145 would do the trick on the MAN route, and about LGW, and LTN, well would it be profitable to use a 735?
All the best to Euromanx i say, since their humble begginings, that have gone from strength to strength!

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This hasn't been covered before as it was announced when the forum was down

I always find IOM-LTN an odd route

Flybe will maintain the new ARJ's and Euromanx will handle BE at IOM

Will IOM-STN continue?

Onward connections will be available at SOU

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I hear the Euromanx/Rossair contract has been terminated and replaced with Denimair Fokker 50s and Atlantic Metros. All seems rather complicated now Club328/Rossair/ Rossair SA/Euromanx are all being reorganised

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London could sustain a 737 no probs, and other destinations like AMS could do well too, with a regional jet.

The thing with ERJs/737s is that IOM cannot handle either!

We do see them pop in occassionally, but as a regular feature they are too tricky. Something to do with the runway - it's only 1,753m which is kinda short really. There is also supposedly a windshear issue landing on the main runway, which further limits what can fly in on a regular basis.

Apparently there will be a 200m runway extension, but I don't believe that until I actually see construction start.

To be honest, I don't like Euromanx. They are a bit pricey and too downmarket for what they charge: their website was designed by a 3 year old for instance. This constant flapping about with the fleet is odd too, not exactly reassuring for the future.

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To be honest, I don't like Euromanx. They are a bit pricey and too downmarket for what they charge: their website was designed by a 3 year old for instance. This constant flapping about with the fleet is odd too, not exactly reassuring for the future.

I am fully aware that you know Mongu, buit many people dont understand that there is no actual airline in Euromanx - they are mearly a booking agent for aircraft operated by mainly Dutch operators.

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Euromanx will not last long in its present form, all parties involved are very financially suspect, and the management team (whoever it is this week) don't seem to have any medium to long term strategy at all.

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Euromanx will not last long in its present form, all parties involved are very financially suspect, and the management team (whoever it is this week) don't seem to have any medium to long term strategy at all.

Very true, but after the Euromanx pull-out many islanders were left with very little option but to use Euromanx the did, and still do on some routes, have the market monoploy, however I can see big changes on the IOM shortly!

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There is essentially a strong local market in the IOM; there just needs to be a robust and committed local operator. Emerald perhaps?

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There is essentially a strong local market in the IOM; there just needs to be a robust and committed local operator. Emerald perhaps?

You never know!!!

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Been away so apologies for the delay to answers in this thread.

First off, Ross Air have gone bust owing a fair bit - a figure of £600,000 has been touted around and I understand Club 328 get to inherit this, but I may be wrong.

The EuroManx fleet plans are 2 x RJ70's, 3 x Dash-8's and I think a couple of ATR-42's are ear-marked too to take over the routes as mentioned. The new fleet are due to begin arriving as early as January but I have no idea who they'll have flying the aircraft.

ERJ-145's and the IOM-MAN route - feasible, in fact last year BACX operated a late Friday flight with the 145 as the aircraft were rotated to the IOM for maintenance anyway so it became a revenue flight. Runway length is a bit performance limiting for jets but not insurmountable - bear in mind BACX use 145's at SOU which isn't too dissimilar in length. Operating cost would be more of a factor. A jet on such a short route would be much less economical than the Dash-8. How long BACX will maintain the routes, I wouldn't like to conjecture, especially LTN. To be picky, the 146 is going in March and will be replaced with an RJ100 (only a subtle difference, I know). There are no immediate plans to replace/get rid of the Dash-8's either. 2 airframes will be going from BACX early next year but that will not affect the IOM operation. The Dash-8 in many respects as actually an ideal aircraft to operate the route.

Windshear & the IOM? Not true I'm afraid! I've been flying to and out of IOM for 12 years in one capacity or another and to date I'm not aware of any particular peculiarities there which causes a windshear hazzard. You do got the odd bit on finals to 26 from the Turkeylands quarry depending on wind direction but not always.

I would seriously doubt the economy of operating a 737 of any series out of the island. Manx Airlines successfully operated their 146 3 x daily to LHR but that was 85 seats and not many of the flights were totally full, plus there was no STN or LCY competition then either. LCY is also very restrictive as only aircraft modded for steep approaches are able to land there hence the proliferation of 146/RJ aircraft seen there. Just as a note of interest, several of Eastern's ex-Manx/BRAL J41's are just so modded as they were used to fly Sheffield - LCY so there's an option there too.

Future in IOM? Personally I would be looking more at Eastern than Emerald. They're a dedicated passenger outfit for a start. They have a large fleet - 25ish aircraft. They have invested in and organised a ground-handling company (Manx Regional) and are doing well on their J41 routes. I believ from firsthand knowledge that they are 100% committed to the island and have the establishment to honour it. Having experienced the "delights" of Emerald in many ways, I personally won't be a regular flyer with them.

Hope that answers some of your queries.

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How about HUY-IOM???

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Only 3 of the late build JS41s of Eastern I believe can be operated into "the City", but to do this you don't just need the aircraft capability, you need the crews to do this with, and as you say you have the services to STN and LCY to compete with now.

However the islands population do on average make 8 flights per annum "off island", well above the average for the UK Isles (trying not to step on any Manx toes here!).

Personally I like the island for a day or two away, but its hayday has passed, and with time the current (predominantly elderly) visitor will stop visiting and the offshore banking trade will be the main supporter of th Island. It was only 20 years agao we have to remember that the place was having severe financial problems!

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My nan wanted to go to the Isle of Man a couple a years ago (when Euromanx flew EMA-IOM) and it was far to expensive for her to handle. It's a good thing that Emerald has been established but they do need to fly to more places in the UK. Euromanx have lowered fares since Emerald have competed with them on the LPL-IOM but not enough.

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Only 3 of the late build JS41s of Eastern I believe can be operated into "the City", but to do this you don't just need the aircraft capability, you need the crews to do this with, and as you say you have the services to STN and LCY to compete with now.

Yes, G - XXXK,L, & M are the 3 LCY approved airframes, which are the 1650 engine versions. You'll find a fair few of the LBA based crews are LCY checked (but not current) as BRAL used to operate from Sheffield to LCY with LBA based crews. A quick sim session would soon rectify that during the next OPC/LPC or "observation" trip - I can't recall if LCY is a Cat C airfield, as I never had the fun of taking a J41 in there before the route was dropped. That said, Dash-8s and 146/RJ's can get in and they are available to the right operator!

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skypilot,

If I recall correctly, LCY is a CAT C airfield - required specific sim and aircraft training before pilots were LCY rated. We used to operate LCY-FRA with G-GNTZ on behalf of LH many years ago.