Mirage 2000

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RE: Mirage 2000

The M2000 India recently bought were of the H variant with RDM+ radar (borrowed from a stockpile which was cocconed).

I think the M2000D was never cleared for export by the french government.

The M2000D has never been equipped with the ASMP it is the M2000N.

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RE: Mirage 2000

I´ve been fortunate in being allowed to sit in both cockpits of a Mirage 2000D. On the right hand console of the WSO´s cockpit is a long red coloured switch marked ASMP. When I asked about this it was explained to me that the plane was delivered with the wiring but not the software for the ASMP.

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RE: Mirage 2000

It could explain why the -D isn't cleared for export.

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RE: Mirage 2000

The rear cockpit is quite interesting. The WSO has a side stick controller-if you look very briefly at it you think you´re looking at an F16 joystick. In fact it´s the controller for the target designating and laser control. In addition to the side stick controller the WSO also has primary flight controls, although he doesn´t have the same degree of HOTAS controls but he can fly the plane adequately. The WSO told me about NVG operations over Kosovo. Because the 2000D isn´t NVG capable they taped the pilot´s primary displays so that the lighting wouldn´t disturb him and the WSO (who also has all the primary instruments-engine displays and so-on) then told the pilot what engine temperature and RPM and so-forth actually were. Not exactly hi-tech but it got the job done.

RE: Mirage 2000

I also wonder exactly how different IAF 2000H is from 2000-5. And how much it would cost to upgrade the Hs to -5 standard. If the 2000H is closer to the original C than the -5, then I think IAF seriously needs to upgrade the whole fleet.

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RE: Mirage 2000

Maybe then the IAF jocks will prefer them to the MiG29s. Currently board members from the Bharat-Rakshak forum who have contact with the IAF pilots swear that the pilots prefer the 29 to the 2000

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a lot

Its a little difficult to work out as they have bundled the upgrades with the new aircraft buys but the Greeks and the UAE are probably paying in the order of close to US$30 million + /aircraft to upgrade their 2000Cs to 2000-9 and 2000-5 mk2. There is an extensive cockpit rework and avionics/radar upgrade. Then you have to buy the MICA missiles which are a million each!

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vastly supirior 2 the f-16, he he u make me chuckle my slightly darker skined friend. i think u should reconsider that as your facts r being curupted by your pride.

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RE: Mirage 2000

I have seen many references to the laser designator pods the French use on their aircraft. They are all developed and manufactured by Thomson-CSF (now Thales). There is a pod called ATLIS (ATLIS I and ATLIS II), there is one that has been sold to the Saudis and the Italians (for use on their Tornados) called Convertible Laser Designtor Pod (TV variant and IR variant), the acronym being CLDP-TV and CLDP-TC respectively, and finally there is one referred to as the Pod de Designation Laser - Camera Thermique (PDL-CT) {aplogies to French speakers for dropping the various accents on the eees}. Can anyone clarify what the characteristics of these pods are with respect to each other? I suspect The CLPD-TC and the PLD-CT are exactly the same pod but I'm not absolutely sure. Additionally I have always seen the PDL-CT referenced as the one used for the Mirage 2000D and never the CLDP. In addition I have never seen a pod designated PDL-TV. Why not? Yes folks, I'm aware of the developments related to Damocles and the pylon mounted FLIR it's usually associated with.

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Mirage 4000

Cool! Another 4000 fan! That was one sexy jet, worthy of alot more attention than it got. Ive been lucky enough to fondle the real thing at the Le Bourget museum, where they have it static park outside in the sand camo scheme (or at least it was outside when I was there in '94, they may have moved it now).

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I have a question, what did happen to French Airforce Mirage2000s?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory
According to wiki only 22 Mirage2000F and 18 Mirage-2000B/C is in inventory. Originally French Airforce procured 124 Mirage-2000C (37 of them converted to Mirage2000F) and 30 Mirage2000B.

There is 100 Mirage missing; did they simply phased out?

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Ten were sold to Brazil, not sure if there were other foreign sales. Most converted to 5F or retired: AdA C's are the oldest production run, most of the aircraft are running out of service life.

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First 37 Mirage 2000 had less capable RDM Radar and early M53-5 turbofan engine instead of M53-5P2, they are already 30+ years old. So I assume that they are phased out.
Other 37 Mirage-2000C upgraded to Mirage-2000F (similar to Mirage-2000-5Mk2) 22 seems operational
10 sold to Basil.
18 Mirage-2000 B/C looks operational according to Wiki.
Some nearly 25-30 of them has been lost to accidents

I think there should be roughly 30 relatively new Mirage-2000C/B (RDI Radar and P2 engines) has been retired.

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C/B seem to have been produced from 1980 to 1994, give or take a year. So omething like a dozen planes a year once full rate production was achieved? It'd make 100 oldest mirage2000 25 years old or older. Assuming 220 hours per year (180 per pilot?) it works out at over 5500 hours even for the planes built in 1989. Dassault guarantees airframe life to 5000 hours so it may be that AdA decided it wouldn't pay for refurbishment of airframes to go over 5000 hours (7000 hours was mentioned as another limit after refurbishment) but it'd rather just retire the planes and use rafales.

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I think there should be roughly 30 relatively new Mirage-2000C/B (RDI Radar and P2 engines) has been retired.

You got it right.

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What about D and N Mirage?

Mirage-2000N is probably non-exportable and soon totally replaced by Rafale.

Mirage-2000D is new, will FAF use them beyond 2020?

I think Colombia will purchase Mirage-2000Fs. Are there any other hope for second hand purchase?

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Afaik the news about 2000F for Columbia were wrong. It may be refurbished RDI? (the article is mentioning SAR capabilities, RDY of -5F do not have this function) or foreign country's 2000 (UAE or Greece)?
5-F airframe is to be prolonged to 8000 hours.
-D will be rapidly modernized.

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That's the plan for AdA:
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Flottes anciennes: Old fleet (F1)
Défense aérienne: Air Defence (Mirage 2000-C \ Mirage 2000-5)

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