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By: 13th July 2006 at 23:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I've heard about them. Don't know if they have been recovered.
Best wishes
Steve P
By: 14th July 2006 at 00:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I've heard about them. Don't know if they have been recovered.Best wishes
Steve P
There was V6786 and V7605 that went in and I was wondering if anyone knows if they were recovered at all.
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 10:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I've heard about them. Don't know if they have been recovered.Best wishes
Steve P
I do have the accident reports of both of these aircraft which quite clearly says that they both went into Loch Leven and I was wondering if anyone out there has got any information as to any recovery operations during or after the war ended. A friend of mine has spoken to Sir David Montgomery, the local Laird, who owns the Loch who has said he was unaware of any crashes during the war in the Loch. The accident reports quite clearly says that they did.
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 11:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Alison,
I've read about them, most probably in the 56 OTU ORB, of which I have a copy. There is nothing in it about a recovery. The area around Loch Leven was used by that unit for low flying training, and tragically, crashes were frequent.
Best wishes
Steve P
By: 14th July 2006 at 14:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Alison,I've read about them, most probably in the 56 OTU ORB, of which I have a copy. There is nothing in it about a recovery. The area around Loch Leven was used by that unit for low flying training, and tragically, crashes were frequent.
Best wishes
Steve P
So that means there is a real chance that they are still there then.
Ali :cool:
By: 14th July 2006 at 15:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-So that means there is a real chance that they are still there then.Ali :cool:
Ali,
What Steve P said:
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I've read about them, most probably in the 56 OTU ORB, of which I have a copy. There is nothing in it about a recovery. The area around Loch Leven was used by that unit for low flying training, and tragically, crashes were frequent.
Best wishes
Steve P
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Two Hurricanes in Loch - no news about a recovery = Two Hurricanes still in the Loch.
Only one way to find out, I suggest you start packing your flippers
:rolleyes:
Cheers
Cees
By: 14th July 2006 at 15:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I did make some brief enquiries but the Loch is looked after by Scottish Natural Heritage and it's difficult to get any kind craft even a canoe on there. SNH don't want anyone on there except if they are fishermen and the Loch being Scotlands national trout fishing center is very heavily policed.
Its FINS and not flippers. A flipper is a dodgy dolphin. :)
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 15:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Hold fire chaps. I have read the ORB for 56 OTU and there is no recovery mentioned, but as the unit would not have been involved in any recovery, there would be no reason to record it.
A better source of info would be the records of the unit that salvaged crashed wrecks in that particular area. Some of these units could go to great lengths to recover aircraft, and Loch Leven is pretty accessible...
Best wishes
Steve P
By: 14th July 2006 at 15:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I did make some brief enquiries but the Loch is looked after by Scottish Natural Heritage and it's difficult to get any kind craft even a canoe on there. SNH don't want anyone on there except if they are fishermen and the Loch being Scotlands national trout fishing center is very heavily policed.Its FINS and not flippers. A flipper is a dodgy dolphin. :)
Ali
Ali,
In my book a fin is something at the back of an aircraft to hang a rudder onto or something stuck on the back of a fish.
Hey, I'm Dutch so shoot me! :D :D
Seriously, if there are any aircraft wrecks in the Loch it would be exciting to find out if they or other wrecks are still down there. Remember Loch Ness.
Good luck
Cees
By: 14th July 2006 at 15:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I did make some brief enquiries but the Loch is looked after by Scottish Natural Heritage and it's difficult to get any kind craft even a canoe on there. SNH don't want anyone on there except if they are fishermen and the Loch being Scotlands national trout fishing center is very heavily policed.
I thought that might be the case. On the other hand, SNH, like other government departments, is also very mindful of the need to be seen to be doing something of importance. I would have thought that a survey to find out what is in Loch Leven could be deemed as important. Bringing in gear to recover anything, would be a completely different matter. :diablo:
Best wishes
Steve P
By: 14th July 2006 at 15:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Ali,In my book a fin is something at the back of an aircraft to hang a rudder onto or something stuck on the back of a fish.
Hey, I'm Dutch so shoot me! :D :D
A fin:
;)
Don't think you'll find one of THOSE in Loch Leven, though! :diablo:
By: 14th July 2006 at 15:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-There was V6786 and V7605 that went in and I was wondering if anyone knows if they were recovered at all.Ali
Hurricane I V6786 of 9 PAFU 07/03/43 Crashed and sank in Loch Leven, about 15 miles SW of Errol at 1315. The pilot is buried in the grounds of Murie House, 3 miles SW of Errol. Sub-Lt(A) Winston Vernon STARK (RNZNVR), of HMS 'Jackdaw' (FAA) - Age 20
Source: "For Your Tomorrow" Vol. II, page 71 by Errol Martyn
V7605 56 OTU 16/04/43 - Pilot?
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Hold fire chaps. I have read the ORB for 56 OTU and there is no recovery mentioned, but as the unit would not have been involved in any recovery, there would be no reason to record it.A better source of info would be the records of the unit that salvaged crashed wrecks in that particular area. Some of these units could go to great lengths to recover aircraft, and Loch Leven is pretty accessible...
Best wishes
Steve P
What units would be responsible for recoveries in Scotland? I would like to get myself to the public records office and pull the file.
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Slight aside,
I seem to remember being told once whilst at the Windermere steamboat museum that after the war a number of Sunderlands were scuttled in the lake. Has any one else heard a similar claim? or is it like the mythical squadrons of buried Lancasters?
Steve.
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I thought that might be the case. On the other hand, SNH, like other government departments, is also very mindful of the need to be seen to be doing something of importance. I would have thought that a survey to find out what is in Loch Leven could be deemed as important. Bringing in gear to recover anything, would be a completely different matter. :diablo:Best wishes
Steve P
I know that someone has already done a survey with Proton Magnetometers but can't get any information as to the results. I did hear that working with SNH was a real pain and I understand that getting permissions for the search were slightly different to getting permissions for a recovery.
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Slight aside,I seem to remember being told once whilst at the Windermere steamboat museum that after the war a number of Sunderlands were scuttled in the lake. Has any one else heard a similar claim? or is it like the mythical squadrons of buried Lancasters?
Steve.
I mentioned it in another thread that I have been following the Sunderlands in fresh water story for quite some time and there isn't any evidence of Sunderlands being scuttled there. Lough Erne does have scuttled Sunderlands in it and I did publish a movement card that has got the word scuttled written on it.
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Hurricane I V6786 of 9 PAFU 07/03/43 Crashed and sank in Loch Leven, about 15 miles SW of Errol at 1315. The pilot is buried in the grounds of Murie House, 3 miles SW of Errol. Sub-Lt(A) Winston Vernon STARK (RNZNVR), of HMS 'Jackdaw' (FAA) - Age 20Source: "For Your Tomorrow" Vol. II, page 71 by Errol Martyn
V7605 56 OTU 16/04/43 - Pilot?
I got all that from the accident report. V7605 was flown by a Sgt Turner and he survived the accident and I checked on the Commonwealth War Graves web site and he seems to have survived the war too.
The interesting thing about V7605 is an ex 1st Canadian Sqn (then 401 sqn) and there was only one Canadian squadron that flew in the battle of britain so if it's still there then it's quite a historically significant aircraft.
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-A fin:
;)Don't think you'll find one of THOSE in Loch Leven, though! :diablo:
That's why I like diving in the UK. If there was lots of clear vis I may see something that really scares me and puts me off diving. :)
Ali
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I got all that from the accident report. V7605 was flown by a Sgt Turner and he survived the accident and I checked on the Commonwealth War Graves web site and he seems to have survived the war too.Ali
Allison thanks for that, I don't suppose you have Sgt Turner's other initials, forenames etc thanks
By: 14th July 2006 at 16:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Allison thanks for that, I don't suppose you have Sgt Turner's other initials, forenames etc thanks
I can do slightly better than that. Here is the accident report.
Ali
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By: Allison Johnson - 13th July 2006 at 23:43
Has anyone heard about the two Hurricanes in Loch Leven in Scotland?
Ali