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Does somebody know if any airline operates the 717 in Europe?

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RE: 717

yeah, Olympic.

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i think they have 4

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Thanks folks .
here it is ...

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Generally, how have 717 sales been since it became made available? It's not an aircraft you hear of much and if the only European operator to fly it is Olympic, it can't be too popular considering we have some huge airlines on the continent; BA, Lufthansa, Air France etc.

I know it's not to say that just because these three airlines don't operate it that it's not a popular aircraft, but what larger carriers do fly the aircraft?

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As for as I know the major ones are:

AA (ex TWA)
AirTran
Quantas (ex Impulse)
Hawaian

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Aerolineas de Baleares operate 4, Olympic Aviation(as opposed to Olympic Airways) operate 3

Sober at last

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Does anyone know of any orders for the aircraft?

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Bangkok Airlines have some on order....5 i think.

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Turkmenistan Airlines operate the 717 also.

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Not too sure but i think that Spanair might have a few of them too ?

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Midwest have a lot - i think around 65 - not certain tho - Spanair are now A320 family i think, so u might b confusing it with their MD-82/3 srs a/c which are been retired

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Aerolineas de Baleares (AeBal) mentioned above is a Spanair subsidiary which operate under similar colours and with the title Spanair link on the side. They fly from Palma Mallorca to destinations around Spain mainly, so in a way Spanair do fly them.

Kinda strange a few of the major MD operators never ordered them, maybe because its was the last of the line as I don't think Boeing have any plans to take the MD range any further.
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Aebael is in fact the cheap version of Spanair. It was meant to be a regional airline of Spanair, but soon it was proved that the B717 was too big for most Spanish routes. The wanted to compete the AEA ATP in the inter Balearic islands with a high density service between Ibiza, Palma and Mahon. Prices were really low and they remark (with a loathsome marketing campaign and playing with the public irrational fears) "fly only fly jets". At the end the results were really dissapointing and the Aebael doesn´t have much sense nowadays. But it seems that the Boeing condition given to Spain were really profiatable and it´s being a nice way for Spanair to swift non profitable flights to this low cost version. With SAS intentions to turn Spanair into a low cost, the position of Aebael is quite delicate. Flying Aebal B717 is a torture. Too many seats.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 15-10-02 AT 10:20 PM (GMT)]Yep Kabir your right... they do have 5 on order. One of those 5 is an ex-TWA.

Two of TWA's 717's have been placed into storage in the desert. :(

Alist of airlines that use the 717:

Air Tran: USA
TWA: USA
AeBal (spanair link): Spain
Qantas Link: Australia
Bangkok Airlines: Thailand
Impulse Airlines: Australia
Olympic Airways/Aviation: Greece
Hawaiian Airlines: USA
Siam Reap Air: Thailand
Vuelamex: Mexico
Turkmenistan Airlines: Turkmenistan

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The problem with this derivative of the MD series and previously the DC9 is that the DC9 ultimately gained 50% of its original design weight again and more than 50% thrust increase. However (certainly with the MD series and I believe the same is true of the 717) the wing was never improved or enlarged. As a result these marks typically have a minimum clean speed (minimum speed without dirtying up, i.e. getting high lift devices out) of about 280knots! In most terminal airspace you have to maintain a maximum of 250knots below 10000' which just about everything else can do clean. This is a minor pain with 2 engines working but becomes a performance nightmare in the one engine inoperative scenario. While the 717 is probably a bit more efficient, the bigger MD's had the same fuel burn as a 757 while only carrying a three quarters the number of passengers.

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Flying Aebal B717 is a torture. Too many seats.

Ditto Bangkok Airways. When I flew BKK-HKT a couple of years ago the plane was barely 20% full but the seat pich was absolutely abominable. Shame, because Bangkok Airways are otherwise very good.

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euh, why bring back a 3 year old thread?

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Why, indeed?

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