Airshow VIDEO: Zimbabwe Boeing 707 and DC-8 VERY low passes...

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Okay, most of you already know ;) the photos as seen at http://www.aviationpics.de/airshow/airshow.htm plus http://www.pbase.com/image/139754011 and http://images.travelpod.com/users/centaur169/3.1305576422.low-level-air-zimbabwe.jpg , but here is the VIDEO of that VERY low Air Zimbabwe Boeing 707 pass! :eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlxDpJPo4kM :eek: That Affrettair DC-8 is rather impressive as well... :diablo: If forwarding above link to other bulletinboards/forum/Facebook/Email to friends, then PLEASE also include one of these links as well. http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=135587&sid=5add1f41a487c7967157a7c9614f2330 or http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/NewStories-C/LowDownpdf/Boeing%20707%20Display%20Flight.pdf or http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/40241/Yw69003.pdf The pilot will thank you for including his first-hand account. Yes, this particular flight was authorised, but unfortunately flights and persons got mixed up in newspapers, resulting in problems... For those interested, the youtube-clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlxDpJPo4kM is an extract of http://vimeo.com/8608544 The 707 starts at 15.00, the DC-8 is from 17.05 . Please DO think about including the 707 pilots' firsthand account when forwarding/copy-ing/email-ing, etcetera !
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Stunning photos and footage, thanks for that! ;) But I can't help feeling the pilot was stupid and after reading the write-up, I'm somewhat glad he lost his job over it. I thought one of the outcomes of AF296 in 1988 was aircraft had to remain 100ft above the runway at all times during a fly-by?

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But I can't help feeling the pilot was stupid and after reading the write-up, I'm somewhat glad he lost his job over it.
Please read
http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=135587&sid=5add1f41a487c7967157a7c9614f2330 or http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/NewStories-C/LowDownpdf/Boeing%20707%20Display%20Flight.pdf or http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/40241/Yw69003.pdf
VERY carefully. :mad: He did NOT lose his job... Please DO read again... There was a mix-up in names !
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Well, in one of the links in the first post, it does say in one of the captions that he lost his job as a result... But even if he didn't lose his job, 6>ft is not a 'safe' altitude to perform a high speed, gear-up, flyby. One small error in judgement or one curveball from the the aircraft and the whole stunt could have ended in a fireball. Regardless of what Cpt Tarr states, 6>ft is not a safe altitude to perform a fly-by period - you simply don't have enough altitude to factor in the unexpected.

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Well, in one of the links in the first post, it does say in one of the captions that he lost his job as a result...
Please state EXACTLY where you read this. So, do not only provide the link, but also copy and paste the EXACT caption that your refer to... I am insisting on this because you make a rather bold claim, and I want to see that claim proven...
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Please state EXACTLY where you read this. So, do not only provide the link, but also copy and paste the EXACT caption that your refer to... I am insisting on this because you make a rather bold claim, and I want to see that claim proven...
http://www.pbase.com/image/139754011 "The caption states: "A Boeing 707 of Air Zimbabwe, flown by Darryl Tarr doing a low level, high speed flypast in Harare in 1995. According to witnesses, this was not the lowest the pilot flew. Tarr says that his radar altimeter read 6 feet beneath his keel at one time. Many believe that the flight was unauthorized and that Tarr was fired because of it" But you can't deny it was unsafe?

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http://www.pbase.com/image/139754011
You didn't bother to read this bit, did you? :rolleyes:
”Many believe that the flight was unauthorized and that Tarr was fired because of it” (A quote taken from this website: http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/325/language/en-CA/Lower-than-a-Snakes-Belly-in-a-Wagon-Rut.aspx So where does the speculation and confusion come from. Well unfortunately during the air show in 1993 an Air Zimbabwe Boeing 767-200ER on a Commercial Flight (revenue flight) from Harare to Johannesburg did an UNAURTHORIZED, one off fly-by, with passengers on-board. This fly-by took place in the early hours of the morning prior to the start of the air show. What transpired over the next few weeks is a real can of worms as the Chief Pilot of Air Zimbabwe (co-incidentally the same surname as mine) was suspended for apparently an inappropriate method (according to the Company), by which disciplinary measures were planned for the B767 Crew. As most of us know all too well the media seldom get the facts 100% correct, and so an article was published in the Tabloids stating that a certain “Captain Tarr” was under suspension over an unauthorized and illegal flight during an air show. The article was very poorly written and opened up a lot of room for speculations and it soon became a little awkward for me and my crew as almost everyone believed that we were the unfortunate ones. Once again the media failed to elaborate on the following FACTS: 1. On the day in question (May 1993) there was in-fact TWO Air Zimbabwe Aircraft involved. A Boeing 707, which was authorized to do a 15-minute display, this flight being a non-revenue flight and carrying NO passengers, and a Boeing 767, which did an unauthorized fly-past. 2. The captain under suspension was the Chief Pilot of Air Zimbabwe (Captain XXX Tarr) and NOT Captain Darryl Tarr (who was the pilot of the Boeing 707 – authorized for the display flying). 3. The Chief Pilot is under suspension as the Company found him to be pursuing inappropriate disciplinary methods for the captain of the Boeing 767, which they deem to be of an insubordinate nature. After numerous attempts to get the media to elaborate and clear our names I eventually gave up. (Actually if the Chief Pilots name was Joe Blogs, then perhaps none of this would have happened). Although it was a very poorly written article they (the tabloids), still believed that it was the public that had speculated and NOT the report itself – go figure. Anyway someone asked me an interesting question recently and I quote: “Many people believe that you had no idea what you were doing”, and “How did you get away with it”. Actually it’s very easy to get upset when you hear such comments and I did NOT want to dignify the question with a response, but that would be unprofessional of me, unprofessional of me, so this was my response. Currently I am a Senior Type Rating Examiner for Emirates Airline on the Boeing 777. Emirates is arguably one of the best airlines in the world today and has a very strict and stringent interview process, and I can honestly say that had I done anything illegal and reckless – I would NOT be where I am today. I have been living in Dubai for more than 13 years having left Air Zimbabwe in 1998.
You also seem to have missed this: :rolleyes:
The Story behind the Boeing 767 Fly-Past As told by one of the B767 pilots Darryl Tarr, a good friend of mine, has often borne the brunt of the confusion that led to an unauthorized flyby by Air Zimbabwe’s 767 on that day in 1993. I know because I was part of the B767 crew on that day. Here is the real story behind the B767 flyby. etc... I am older and wiser now but don’t regret the event for a minute. I am sorry it turned into a political mess afterwards but in fact was never particularly involved in that, for the simple reason that I have explained: FO’s did what they were told and were not held responsible. I don’t support that stance – that is simply the way it was back then. Pictures appeared in the papers the next day of both aircraft at the air show. There were complaints from a few passengers but ironically many of them enjoyed the experience. Zimbabwe had far greater issues to deal with and the event was committed to history. Darryl’s appearance at the show was a huge success. It had been planned meticulously and conducted as agreed. The armchair critics are simply not in a position to comment as there is so much they do not know about events on that day. However we are left with some superb pictures of a classic aircraft doing an impressive maneuver that many enjoyed on that day and thereafter.
Apart from that Pbase comment, do you have any further "proof" that the pilot of this 707 was actually fired because of this ? :rolleyes: To give you a hint: at one time THREE pilots with the surname "Tarr" have been employed by Air Zimbabwe, in the same timespan. You'd better read this all again... And I hope you are able to differentiate between a four-holer 707 and a twin 767, and also I do hope you what the difference is between a pilot and a CHIEF PILOT. The CHIEF Pilot, a relative of the 707-pilot, was indeed fired. Not the "flypast-pilot" itself... The CHIEF pilot was fired because of the TWIN 767 flight, and not because of the four-holer 707 flypast...
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I actually did read the whole article after comment #3, and like I said - even if he wasn't fired (which he wasn't, as we've established), the stunt itself was unsafe. I'm actually surprised he's now a senior training captain with Emirates. Training a new generation of pilots to be reckless, irresponsible and cocky? It's people like him that create CRM issues for airlines further down the line. Arguably it was people like Cpt Michel Asseline (a senior Air France training captain, and captain of AF296) that helped foster the next generation of AF pilots, who ultimately contributed to several fatal errors between 2000-2010.

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he wasn't fired (which he wasn't, as we've established)
And this is what I was looking for... :rolleyes: So far no one at PPrune has given his or her views on this, let alone one of the "professionals" with an ATPL.