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Who just happens to be a paid employee of Boeing?

C'mon, mate, what else is he going to say? "Buy Airbus"? :D

Anyway, US Agent will get the joke, even if you don't. :p

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Who just happens to be a paid employee of Boeing?

C'mon, mate, what else is he going to say? "Buy Airbus"? :D

Anyway, US Agent will get the joke, even if you don't. :p


that may be, but Dr Keskar still knows more about the subject.

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Yes, Sandy - of course he does, mate. That's what they pay him for, after all.

Why are you making a big deal out of this, anyway? Heaven forbid that you should have some kind of agenda here! :p

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In the name of fairness, here is a recent article about the Indian market slanted towards Airbus...

Airbus eyes India to sell A-380s

February 07, 2005 17:16 IST

Airbus Industrie is setting its eye on India for selling its brand new, most modern and spacious A-380 aircraft.

"With the opening up of skies by the government, Indian private airlines would be looking for bigger aircraft for long haul. Airbus A-330s and A-340s would be best suited for them," regional press advisor of Airbus David Velupillai said, adding they could also consider buying A-380s.

He said the A-330s and A-340s were the best suited for Air India, which is also in need of more planes to cater to increasing number of destinations.

Referring to the new A-380 variety, he said the aircraft had much more space than the Boeing 747 series.

"It can land in any airport where 747s are capable of landing. At present in India, only Delhi and Mumbai airports are capable of handling these two aircraft by parking them in a remote bay with the passengers being ferried in a bus," he said.

To a question about the company's talks for selling or leasing aircraft to Indian Airlines, he said "We are in discussion with Indian Airlines and they need the aircraft very badly".

"We are confident that we have an aircraft which could be the best for Indian Airlines," he said while answering a question about the stiff competition being given by Boeing company.

Asked about the firming up of aircraft leasing market, Velupilli accepted that the aviation market is becoming stronger after a brief hangover of 9/11.

He said Airbus would highlight its partnership with Indian carriers and industry at the Aero India air show in Bangalore, to be held later this week.

Airbus' partnership with India dates back to more than 30 years, when Indian Airlines first selected its aircraft.

Today both Indian Airlines and Air India are major customers of Airbus aircraft, operating more than 60 of them, Velupillai said, adding that new private carriers such as Air Deccan and Kingfisher had also selected them.

He said the Airbus' success in the important Indian market was founded on the benefits offered by its modern aircraft family with advanced design features that delivered high fuel efficiency.

The aircraft manufacturer had a partnership with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd which produced doors for the A-320 family. The Bangalore-based HAL was recently awarded a contract worth $80 million.

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A380 sale in China would drive Airbus to come into India to sell the A380 strongly. Anyway i dont see an Indian carrier getting the 380 in the near future.

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Isnt it better AI got some aircraft than not no matter who the prefered supplier is. I wish AI best with ANY aircraft they choose.

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Your even-handedness does you credit, US Agent. :)

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SOME FURTHER BOEING INRODES INTO INDIA

Jet Airways to acquire 10 Boeing 737NGs

Tuesday, 15 February , 2005, 13:10

New Delhi: Jet Airways plans to acquire 10 Boeing 737NGs (new generation) from March 2006 even as it has proposed an outlay of Rs 300 crore as expenditure towards purchasing slots at foreign airports, aircraft leasing and other infrastructural support.

The Boeing 737NG aircraft will be for delivery between March 2006 and November 2007 and could cost upwards of $ 450 million ,according to Jet Airways executive director Saroj Dutta.

The list price of a Boeing varies from 45 millon to $ 60 million ,depending on the type of aircraft. Dutta said the type of Boeing is flexible -- 737-700, -800 or -900 series as market conditions for the domestic market demand.

''We will convey to Boeing the type at a later date,'' he added.

Recently, airline's chairman Naresh Goyal told reporters in Bangalore that lease agreements are being finalised to get three Airbus A340 to begin daytime flights from Mumbai to London while three leased Boeing 737-800s will be operated on the Delhi-Singapore and Chennai-Kuala Lumpur sectors on a daily basis.

Under bilateral agreements with Britain, the government has allotted Jet Airways seven flights and its rival Air Sahara two to Heathrow and Gatwick airports respectively. Goyal said he is considering various operations to the United States via Europe, once necessary approvals are in place.

Goyal said he is not unduly worried over the fares being cut on some routes to Europe and Far East and said the Jet brand remains strong in the market with over 45 per cent market share in the domestic sector.

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Goyal said he is considering various operations to the United States via Europe, once necessary approvals are in place.
Would that be with the B737s, do you think?

They do have the "legs" for it, but I'm not sure that any of their current fleet are ETOPS equipped.

Can anyone enlighten me?

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I doubt they would be with the 737's perhaps something for the future with some further airbus or boeing purchases

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Would that be with the B737s, do you think?

They do have the "legs" for it, but I'm not sure that any of their current fleet are ETOPS equipped.

Can anyone enlighten me?

They wont operate the 737s anywhere out of S/S.E. Asia. They recently floated 9W on the market to raise money for larger planes to operte intl. routes.

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Thanks, Kabir. :)

So they don't plan to operate the B737NG to LHR and LGW then? :(

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Thanks, Kabir. :)

So they don't plan to operate the B737NG to LHR and LGW then? :(

No, the new 737NGs on order will only help 9Wto expans its domestic sectordue to increasing competition by LOCOs.

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so what would be used for those future possible routes..

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leased A340s are being talked of by 9W for LHR route and 737-xx for kuala lumpur, bangkok and singapore.

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leased A340s are being talked of by 9W for LHR route and 737-xx for kuala lumpur, bangkok and singapore.

They were looking for A340s for lease from SAA but SAA has made it clear that SAA 340s are not avilable. And even if they got 340 it would be temporary.... 9W is a very pro Boeing airline.

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so what would be used for those future possible routes..

looking at recent 9W steps...expect 777s in near future.

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Aircraft Makers Eye Growing Indian Market

(Source: Voice of America news; issued Feb. 13, 2005)

NEW DELHI --- A five-day international air show held in Bangalore city recently attracted as many as 240 companies from 31 countries.

They included giants such as Boeing and Airbus on the civil aviation front and Lockheed Martin from the United States and France's Snecma on the military side.

These companies are eyeing a potentially huge market in India. A host of domestic airlines are expected to snap up more than three hundred passenger aircraft over the coming years. Analysts say India could spend up to $35 billion on new jets in the next 20 years.

Steadily falling prices for air travel and an expanding economy have made it possible for many more Indians to fly.

The French aviation group Dassault says the country's strong economic growth has also opened up an opportunity to sell business jets in India. In addition, the Indian air force plans to buy 126 new warplanes. The United States, Sweden, France and Russia are all vying for a share of that market.

But India is not content with being just a buyer. Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee says the air show provided an opportunity to global aviation companies to explore the potential of joint ventures with India's state-run aerospace industry. "It is an ideal forum to explore business opportunities as well as to facilitate joint ventures, collaborations and tie-ups for mutual benefit. It is emerging as an important platform for showcasing capabilities of both Indian and foreign companies in design, development and production of aircraft and ground systems both for defense and civil sectors," he said.

Indian officials say foreign aviation companies can profit by outsourcing research, design and some manufacturing work to India, which has high technical expertise and low costs.

Some already plan to collaborate with Indian companies. Lockheed Martin has signed an agreement with an Indian company to share data on its P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft. France's Snecma says it plans a joint venture in India to make engine parts.

And Boeing says it has signed a pact with a technology company to develop a platform for a flight test system.

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hehe these articles come daily like the cartoon strips now.

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REUTERS:

BOMBAY (Reuters) - Jet Airways, India's top private carrier, says it is in talks to lease two or three wide-bodied aircraft from Boeing or Airbus for its long-haul international routes starting in April.

The company would lease Boeing 747 and 777 or the Airbus A330 and A340 for seven weekly flights to London, as it requires the aircraft at short notice, a company official said on Wednesday.

Jet, whose $445 million initial public offering (IPO) opens on Friday, has already leased seven Boeing 737-800 aircrafts and entered an agreement to buy 10 737s, it said in its IPO document.

The company expects delivery of the leased aircraft this year and of the 10 planes between Jan 2006 and October 2007.

Jet has 42 aircraft, of which 34 are Boeing 737s and the rest are smaller ATRs, made by Avions de Transport Regional -- owned by Franco-German group European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. NV (EADS) and the Alenia unit of Italy's Finmeccanica.

EADS and Britain's BAE Systems are the parent firms of Airbus.

In its IPO, Jet is offering 20 percent of its expanded equity, or 17.27 million shares, at 950-1,125 rupees a share. At its upper end, the offering will value Jet at $2.2 billion.