i saw this about airbus getting A318 or A319 into LCY

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I saw this about airbus getting A318 or A319 into LCY
If you want to reach cities like Antwerp, Dundee, Liverpool, Bremen, Berne and Lugano, then London City is the only jumping off point from London. Flights are operated mainly by four-engined BAe 146 jets or
twin-engined F50 turbo-props.
London City is different from the capital’s other airports. For a start it’s owned by an entrepreneur (Ireland’s Dermot Desmond) rather than a large corporation and, secondly, its route development is driven by demand. “Customer pressure makes a new route possible,” says Richard Gooding. The furthest destination currently served is Lugano in
Swiss Ticino. “Routes planned between now and the end of next year include Copenhagen, Glasgow, Madrid, Milan, Newcastle, Stockholm and Vienna,” he adds.
Some of these routes are outside the range of the existing planes so the airport is looking to new models. The 100-seater Airbus A318/319 series is one plane the airport could consider. It would enable an operator to fly non-stop on longer stages like Madrid (currently the most requested route and one outside the range of existing planes).
“There’s a 50/50 chance this plane will come here. Flying the Airbus into London City isn’t a problem,” says Gooding. “The problem is what you do with the plane on the ground. [Although the Airbus would hold roughly the same as the Bae 146] it is bigger but taller than the existing planes and our taxi-ways and parking spaces were originally laid out for more compact models.”
Corporate planes face no such problems. Says Gooding:“60 percent of all corporate planes can land here, with Netjets being one of our best customers. Corporate traffic now comprises 10 percent of our total traffic.” The Jet Centre is at the London end of the airport and can be reached swiftly and discreetly.
Unlike at Heathrow, executive planes are welcome. “We operate nine-seater Citation Excel jets from here on sectors up to 4.5 hours,” says George Galanopolous, managing director of London Executive Aviation, a major user of the Jet Centre with 50 arrivals and departures a day. “We tend to fly to destinations not covered by the normal flights from there. So that means Athens, Moscow, Algiers and Tripoli. The most popular destinations are Nice and Marbella. Main customers are banks and financial institutions in the City and Canary Wharf. Leisure customers are becoming increasingly common and now represent about 30 percent of the total.”

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Quite interesting, although Madrid is more than possible from LCY with a 146, and I believe Iberia are starting it with a 146 leased form WDL?

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Quite interesting, although Madrid is more than possible from LCY with a 146, and I believe Iberia are starting it with a 146 leased form WDL?

I heard something along these lines, but with Air Nostrum, not Iberia.

I very much doubt A318/A319's will start using the airport. In theory they can, but they're alot louder than the Bae146 and there will be a huge uproar from nearby residents. When the Embraer 170 is certified there, scheduled to be done between December05 - March 06, then wouldn't Madrid be possible with these.

Also City is alot more than 146's and F50s. There are as many ERJ135s as there are F50's. Saab2000's are a regular and there are billions of light twins.

I'll try and get my mate on the inside :D to tell me the plans

Wozza

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I'll try and get my mate on the inside :D to tell me the plans

Wozza

Don't bother I can tell you. The A318 is almost certainly being aimed for and the A319 is a possible also. The airport masterplan reflects this and will allow stands to be provided for the types, this being the main current restriction. Noise is not an issue.

There you go, now you know.

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As many ERJ135s as Fokker 50s? Dont think so: 4 ERJ135 flights a day, 41 Fokker 50 flights a day!

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I heard something along these lines, but with Air Nostrum, not Iberia.

Wozza

Air Nostrum are owned by Iberia and is also Iberia Regional.


When the Embraer 170 is certified there, scheduled to be done between December05 - March 06,

Wozza

What airline whould operate the EMB 170 at LCY.Would LOT fly from LCY using EMB 170?

As many ERJ135s as Fokker 50s? Dont think so: 4 ERJ135 flights a day, 41 Fokker 50 flights a day!

Luxair are the only one's that operate the ERJ135s into LCY.

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Yes, I can't work it out too, but i'm telling you all there is definately more than 4 ERJ-135s per day at the weekend

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Yes, I can't work it out too, but i'm telling you all there is definately more than 4 ERJ-135s per day at the weekend

Well you'll have to tell us all who's operating them then because LCY is a client, and I cannot think of any other airline operating them into the airport at the moment, in addition Luxair only operates one flight per day at weekends, which is typical of LCY given its closure on Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings.

Are you perhaps seeing the residual arrivals of business aircraft and mistaking them for ERJ135s?

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Yes, I can't work it out too, but i'm telling you all there is definately more than 4 ERJ-135s per day at the weekend

Maybe there the Busniess verison of the ERJ-135.

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Maybe there the Busniess verison of the ERJ-135.

James


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The Legacy

Yeah thats it i could not think of what it is called. :D

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Only about 13 of these in Europe at the moment, and I'm not entirely sure if any of the Legacy operators have actually fitted the steep approach kit to their aircraft yet. I think the new Greggair/Lonex/Amsair ones might be being done soon, but at the moment they still seem to be using just Luton and Stansted.

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Well you'll have to tell us all who's operating them then because LCY is a client, and I cannot think of any other airline operating them into the airport at the moment, in addition Luxair only operates one flight per day at weekends, which is typical of LCY given its closure on Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings.

Are you perhaps seeing the residual arrivals of business aircraft and mistaking them for ERJ135s?

This maybe true, somedays there are plenty, especially weekends and it can be very quiet for quite some time, random you could say, so this is possible, as the EMB-170 is being certified is it possible for the 175?