By: Humberside
- 9th November 2005 at 21:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe SOU cant sustain weekend flights as it will mainly be business demand but surely IOM-BLK has a large demand for flights at the weekend, if not more than during the week
By: Mark L
- 9th November 2005 at 21:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The aircraft is leased by Euromanx through Keen Leasing. Euromanx/A1 hardly use it at the weekend and so from what I can gather, Keen Leasing charter it out to various people who need it in the off peak hours ie weekends.
By: airband1
- 10th November 2005 at 07:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The aircraft is leased by Euromanx through Keen Leasing. Euromanx/A1 hardly use it at the weekend and so from what I can gather, Keen Leasing charter it out to various people who need it in the off peak hours ie weekends.
Thanks Mark
I was wondering as I didn't think it'd be sitting around doing nothing and not making money as that'd just be crazy.
Again Thanks
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By: coanda
- 10th November 2005 at 17:30Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not at all Mark L...........he was to have his own airline. How could he fly his own aircraft if he did not actually own it?
By: Mark L
- 10th November 2005 at 17:54Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think you will find the original plan (once you got beneath the MH hype/spin) was rather similar to this new one.
He was originally going to be using Air Medical PA31s. He wasnt going to own the aircraft, it was all being run and operated through Air Med, he owned nothing. He was just going to be a pilot for the same airline that he was chartering through. (Like he claims to want to do with the new Jetstream setup - he doesnt own the Jetstream)
Now the setup is just the same, except using Euromanx/Keen/Love Air/London Flight Centre etc instead of Air Med, and with a complete change of route structure.
By: Michael_Mcr
- 10th November 2005 at 19:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think you will find the original plan (once you got beneath the MH hype/spin) was rather similar to this new one.
He was originally going to be using Air Medical PA31s. He wasnt going to own the aircraft, it was all being run and operated through Air Med, he owned nothing. He was just going to be a pilot for the same airline that he was chartering through. (Like he claims to want to do with the new Jetstream setup - he doesnt own the Jetstream)
Now the setup is just the same, except using Euromanx/Keen/Love Air/London Flight Centre etc instead of Air Med, and with a complete change of route structure.
I dont think that anybody expected him to stump up the dosh to buy aircraft !!
for myself, i assumed that his plans would be similar to any airline - that the aircraft would be leased / chartered as needed to avoid parked aircraft costs for him or the other operator(s) of that aircraft.
In that respect, i would think it perfectly natural for any new airline to be chartering someone elses planes on a "see-how-it-goes" basis initially.
I would also expect them to try to use someone elses already established infrastructure for maintenance / logistics / ticketing - that is all prefectly sensible and to be expected.
What grates for many people, i suspect, is the wildly changing investment / routes / aircraft that have been promoted.
This business has to now start operating, in whatever form, if only to restore his credability a bit.
Regards
Michael
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By: Humberside
- 11th November 2005 at 21:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The call centre is closed for maintenance this weekend
By: airband1
- 14th November 2005 at 11:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
*****NOTE TO MODS*****
(I'm NOT asking this question to start any ALPHA bashing)
Does anyone know if todays inaugural flight took off as scheduled and if so howmany passengers were onboard as their call center is closed for routine maintenance?
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By: Humberside - 9th November 2005 at 21:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe SOU cant sustain weekend flights as it will mainly be business demand but surely IOM-BLK has a large demand for flights at the weekend, if not more than during the week
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By: Mark L - 9th November 2005 at 21:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The aircraft is leased by Euromanx through Keen Leasing. Euromanx/A1 hardly use it at the weekend and so from what I can gather, Keen Leasing charter it out to various people who need it in the off peak hours ie weekends.
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By: Grey Area - 9th November 2005 at 21:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Which explains what it was doing in MAN on Sunday last. :D
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By: coanda - 9th November 2005 at 22:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'll not be eating humble pie, this is a shadow of what was first announced, he basically has himself a ticket office..........
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By: Mark L - 9th November 2005 at 22:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
To be fair the original plan was just the same, a glorified ticket office. The only thing that has really changed is the aircraft type and the routes.
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By: airband1 - 10th November 2005 at 07:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Mark
I was wondering as I didn't think it'd be sitting around doing nothing and not making money as that'd just be crazy.
Again Thanks
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By: coanda - 10th November 2005 at 17:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not at all Mark L...........he was to have his own airline. How could he fly his own aircraft if he did not actually own it?
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By: Mark L - 10th November 2005 at 17:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think you will find the original plan (once you got beneath the MH hype/spin) was rather similar to this new one.
He was originally going to be using Air Medical PA31s. He wasnt going to own the aircraft, it was all being run and operated through Air Med, he owned nothing. He was just going to be a pilot for the same airline that he was chartering through. (Like he claims to want to do with the new Jetstream setup - he doesnt own the Jetstream)
Now the setup is just the same, except using Euromanx/Keen/Love Air/London Flight Centre etc instead of Air Med, and with a complete change of route structure.
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By: Michael_Mcr - 10th November 2005 at 19:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I dont think that anybody expected him to stump up the dosh to buy aircraft !!for myself, i assumed that his plans would be similar to any airline - that the aircraft would be leased / chartered as needed to avoid parked aircraft costs for him or the other operator(s) of that aircraft.
In that respect, i would think it perfectly natural for any new airline to be chartering someone elses planes on a "see-how-it-goes" basis initially.
I would also expect them to try to use someone elses already established infrastructure for maintenance / logistics / ticketing - that is all prefectly sensible and to be expected.
What grates for many people, i suspect, is the wildly changing investment / routes / aircraft that have been promoted.
This business has to now start operating, in whatever form, if only to restore his credability a bit.
Regards
Michael
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By: Humberside - 11th November 2005 at 21:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The call centre is closed for maintenance this weekend
http://www.flyalpha1.com/
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By: Mark L - 11th November 2005 at 21:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I also hear through the grapevine that Martin is no longer studying for his ATPL at OAT.
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By: flybar - 11th November 2005 at 23:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The website appears to have suffered a major failure. Will it return on Monday?
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By: Newforest - 12th November 2005 at 09:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Still down on Saturday, Forty eight hours for maintenance? :p Was this forum down for only two hours maintenance earlier in the week? :D :p
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By: Michael_Mcr - 12th November 2005 at 14:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Stop it! :)A website can stay down due to any number of reasons which are unrelated to the business it promotes.
Lets be fair to Mr H and only attack him over failures which are directly attributable to him !!!
Michael
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By: Swift - 13th November 2005 at 20:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Its pretty much all over bar the shouting.
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By: airband1 - 14th November 2005 at 11:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
*****NOTE TO MODS*****
(I'm NOT asking this question to start any ALPHA bashing)
Does anyone know if todays inaugural flight took off as scheduled and if so howmany passengers were onboard as their call center is closed for routine maintenance?
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By: kev35 - 14th November 2005 at 11:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No. The inaugural flight originally scheduled for the 7th will now be taking place on the 21st as far as I understand it.
Regards,
kev35
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By: airband1 - 14th November 2005 at 14:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Apologies KEV i'm a week early mate as I thought today was the 21st LOLPosts: 4,508
By: EN830 - 15th November 2005 at 09:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Anyone catch BBC Breakfast News, Business News this morning, 2 min interview with Martin and a number of investors
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By: Humberside - 15th November 2005 at 14:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What was said?