Live Airbus Webcast order numbers

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378 Deliveries in 2005 1111 Gross/ 1055 Net Order for 2005 Will be interesting to see the full breakdown on this.
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Just been watching something on the news....Airbus have officially kicked Boeings ass, with sales and deliveries this year! Apparently, to the surprise of many industry analysists (spellcheck). There's a piece on BBC teletext p119 aswell, with Airbus claiming a 51% share of the market. Cheers Kev
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I'm in shock, its almost 9:00pm and this thread has - besides this one - only one reply and has yet to descend with tedious inevitablity into the usual A. v B. flame war! :eek: I'm impressed. -Dazza ;)

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I'm pretty sure we've stepped away from that stuff now, Dazza. ;) Edited to please. ;) :rolleyes:
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I'm pretty sure we've stepped away from that stuff now,
Hoorah! And its Dazza by the way! ;) -Dazza (see, there it is again)
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I took the liberty of taking some notes today while I listened to the live broadcast. Here are a few interesting quotes I wrote: "We have 172 A350 orders and commitments for 2005" Thus falling short of their target of 200, neatly brushed aside I may add. Still, better than Boeing with ther 200 order mark. [COLOR=DarkRed]German Press: Are you concerned about a possible Boeing attack on the A320 market with 787 technology[/COLOR] [COLOR=Navy]Airbus Chief Humbert's answer: If the market is asking for an all new single isle, Airbus is ready to answer. But we need the right engine for an all new single isle aircraft, as would our competitor. They will not be ready before, say 1013 or 14.[/COLOR] Thus dispelling rumours that they were well underway with development. Should stop a few arguments on A.net. [B]Press: How is the freighter market developing for Airbus? John Leahy: The freight market is developing. I was talking to FedEx last night. When it comes to the freight market, we're very pleased with the A380F and we have the A300-600F. I was asked whether or not the 747 is a good freighter. Yes of course. But you cannot base a program purely on a freighter.[/B] Leahy took every opportunity to diss Boeing at this conference. It spoiled an otherwise professional (if not self loving IMO) and informative conference. Press: Mr Leahy you said in relation ther A340 youre looking in market segments How do you explain the 777 overtook the A340 in the long haul market market. Leahy didn't get to open his mouth, Gustav Humbert answered in stead Yes the triple 7 has done better than the A340 in 2005. But if we look at the years before, we were in the lead with the A330/340. But I have never heard you or your colleagues ask what they're doing with the triple 7?! Yes we are concerned but we are not panicking He sounded awfully rattled when he said this and swiftly moved on to the next subject which was about the A400M When asked about the current boom in A320 orders, John Leahy, salesman and PR guru had the following to say: People are coming to use with business models built around the A320. Everyone in the low cost market has switched over to the A320. Well the first part I'd certainly expect. A start up airline is hardly going to build up a business model around the 737 then show it to Airbus. The second bit, might be true for orders to a certain extent but is wildly off cue when it comes to operating fleets. Continuing his usual diatribe against Boeing, Leahy added: We only put orders in the book when firmed not announced like some others in this industry do. Our competitor have been saying since the Paris airshow that they will beat Airbus No comment on that one! [B]Press: Last time you talked of a level playing field. Were is that level playing field now? You said that is Boeing remained transparent you would relinquish your government aid. Gustav Humbert: We did not say this. We stay firm on our beleif that we want a NEGOTIATED solution. We are ready to accept any outcome of this negotiation as long as it is a level playing field. Right now we do not have this., Our competitor gets aid that does not need to be repaid, where as we repay. [/B] Humbert was again rattled. [B]Press: Can you break down the 166 orders of the a330/340? Also what are your plans for the A340 Humbert & Leahy: We have a breakdown in a spreadsheet. The second part, we see that the A340 was not as strong compared to its competitor. But we got a record intake in 2005 for long haul. There are no plans on the table to revamp the A340. We don't see the need for the time being[/B] [B]Press: You've been flying the A380 around the word for months. Given that your not expected to deliver till next year, should we expect another quiet year. Humbert: We will deliver to Singapore for the end of the year. Our goal is 2 new customers.[/B] Leahy quickly jumped in with this: Leahy: I see you think the 777 is a succesfull program, but in the year after its launch it received zero orders. I think that shows how successfull the A380 is. See what I mean about Leahy dissing Boeing at every chance, what has the 777 program got to do with the A380?
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I have to agree Leahy's constant snipes at Boeing are tiresome, and his inference that because the 777 failed to recieve any orders in its first year after launch somehow makes its success questionable just because the A380 has recieved orders since its launch is about as far fetched as sh!t from China! So I'd have to concur an otherwise informative conference marred by petty digs at Boeing, who after all hardly did badly in 2005 did they? -Dazza :)
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Just been watching something on the news....Airbus have officially kicked Boeings ass, with sales and deliveries this year!
I think calling 1,055 v 1,002 'kicking ass' is stretching the metaphor fairly close to breaking point. Moggy
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Its interesting to note that all announced orders for 2005 add to about 800 to 900. Suddenly in December they list a bunch of new orders and totals. Airbus have pulled a bunch of rabbits out of their hats to get their gross total of 1111. [Edited due to Tired and bothered mood]
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I was a little bit surprised by it. My conclusion is that Airbis just thought it would be nice to give Boeing a little embarassment by exceeding their numbers. So it is a little bit 'kicking ass' for the others marketing and press (or: good news) department. But let's stay straight: Boeing has more order value and had a very successful year. So had Airbus. I can't see any significant "winner", Airbus failed in securing 200 A350 orders. Boeing failed in getting any B747-8 Pax order. A380 has 160 firm orders. The comparison to B777 program is valid: It is natural that all customers rush in the beginning. There is no need to order the A380 now, because you won't get it before 2010 or 2011 and you want to see how it behaves. The picking of Leahy is really tiresome and I don't need the phrases of my Chief Comercial Officer to think clear about the situation. So, just let's agree to not take everything 100% serious that comes from Toulouse (only if it comes from me ;) ) or from Chicago.

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Want to add some remarks here. #1 - Gross Orders: Boeing 574x B737 48x B747 19x B767 153x B777 235x B787 Airbus 7x A300/310 918x A318/319/320/321 64x A330 15x A340 87x A350 20x A380 Boeing sells 55% narrowbodies, Airbus 83% of its resp total gross order volume. Could anybody make a rough calculation what this means for turnover? #2 - The Order/Options/Commitments issue: With a lot of orders there is a huge disproportionateness between actual orders and options, sometimes 1 to 4. #3 - Orders for the sake of setting a record: So this was a very good year for both companies. But there is no way the next year will be as good, even with e.g. India as potential mega-customer. Didn't the marketing guys from both companies, but esp from Airbus (as they seem to have acquired some 200 orders in December alone) push various airlines to order early, perhaps with large financial incentives to brake the "record"? 2006 will almost inevitably produce fewer orders. I think a more steady stream of orders would be more in the manufacturers interest.
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I think calling 1,055 v 1,002 'kicking ass' is stretching the metaphor fairly close to breaking point. Moggy
Sorry, I should have used some appropriate smileys with that post! :D It was intended to be a bit 'tongue in cheek', hence my mention of the 51% market share! :p TBH I'm well and truly on the fence with this, I love all a/c (apart from the ones with the propeller on the roof :eek: ). So good luck to both, it's nice to see the aircraft industry doing so well, in what are trying times. :) Take care Kev :)
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Well rather than one company 'kicking the ass of another' or some models obliterating their competitors, I'd like to see 2005 as a fantastic year for the industry as a whole and for the two big ones. I don't care much who ended up top- with that kind of figures I see the final result as a score draw, and both A & B will be very pleased overall in the way the year has gone. This year should be good too, what with the delivery (bar delays) of the first A380, the design freeze of the A350, the advance in the developement of the 787 and hopefully more hints and details of a successor for the 737 & A320 :)
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I must say this was just another proper business interaction by Airbus, and as Dazza said Leahy's snipes at Boeing are getting tiresome, but at one point you cannot blame him much as well, its not as if both A and B are being threatened by a C. Everything has to happen between these two players only.
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Airbus leapfrogs Boeing for No. 1 ...[excerpts]...
Airbus chalked up 1,055 net orders, thanks to a flurry of contracts signed in December, including 150 with the Chinese government.
Basically, if GW hadn't made those "offensive" remarks regarding Taiwan-Democracy just prior to arriving in China at the end of last year...China probably would have gone forward with its expected full order for 150 aircraft instead of splicing it at 70, with a follow up of 80 in 2006, but instead decided to use the order as a way of sending a message about it's displeasure. That would have left Boeing as the overall 2005 orders champion at 1,082.
But the numbers also exposed a glaring weakness in Airbus' product line. The company lagged Boeing in the heated race for wide-body, long-range planes that are used primarily on international routes. The four-engine A340, which seats more than 300 passengers, garnered 15 orders compared with 155 for the two-engine Boeing 777. The two-engine A330-300, which competes with smaller 777s, also won 15 orders.
I predict this trend to continue as the American airlines exit bankruptcy and begin their fleet renewals.
Airbus also did not hit its sales target for the wide-bodied A350, its competitor to Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner. It booked 172 orders and commitments, short of its goal of 200.
If memory serves me correctly, Airbus took every opportunity to mock Boeing last year when they failed to meet their expectations for the 787. Yes Dorothy, there is such a thing as Karma. ;)
Because Boeing sold a greater proportion of larger planes, which can be three times more expensive than single-aisle jets, it captured more market share based on the sticker prices of planes ordered.
Wait, I thought Airbus was going to dominate the "large plane/wide body" arena and leave Boeing to eek out an existence in the "medium/single aisle" arena. I guess the market place never got that memo. :rolleyes: *I really wish Airbus would put a 'Year-to-date Orders & Deliveries' chart up on their website like Boeing: 2006 Orders & Deliveries
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They do: use this one. http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/# It is very useful and has all orders and deliveries to date. Please tell me if Boeing has similar information available.
They do indeed. Also, you can call up a personal search for deliveries. You can find out how many 707s, for example, where delivered between 1960 and 1961, if that interests you.