Ryanair bans three passengers for stealing life-jackets

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From Ryanair.com
Ryanair, Europe’s No. 1 low fares airline today (17th Jan 2006) confirmed that 2 UK passengers were each given 4 month suspended sentences by a Spanish court for stealing 3 life-jackets from a Ryanair flight. The 2 passengers flew from Nottingham East Midlands to Barcelona Girona on the 6th of January.
I must admit, for once I completely agree with them.
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Good show! I know I will make myself public enemy #1 here with this statement, but the same should be done to those stealing safety cards. They are there for a reason!
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Good show! I know I will make myself public enemy #1 here with this statement, but the same should be done to those stealing safety cards. They are there for a reason!
Good luck trying to steal FR's safety cards. You'd have to carve it out of the seat back first!
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Is there any recorded example of a modern passenger aircraft ditching with sufficient opportunity for anyone to actually don one of the underseat lifejackets, escape, and be supported in the water by it until rescued? If there is I certainly can't recall it. Those lifejackets are, in my opinion, a completely pointless exercise in passenger 'reassurance' (But I'm happy to be corrected if anyone can) Moggy
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Those lifejackets are, in my opinion, a completely pointless exercise in passenger 'reassurance'
Well with any recorded example or not I'd rather they were there than not Moggy!
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The Lajes(sp?) Air Transat A330 which miraculously glided to an airbase runway after a massive fuel leak only a few years ago comes to mind. The crew knew it was a strong possibility of a ditching and all PAX were wearing life jackets on landing. Lifejackets are not pointless and these thieves are now convicted criminals..HA. Same goes for safety card fools. Now for some trivia; Ryanair new aircraft deliveries don't have lifejackets under the seats so where are they? Have a guess. :)
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yeah, personally id rather they were there to "just in case" a safe water landing were ever carried out (not that ive ever heard of one)
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Is there any recorded example of a modern passenger aircraft ditching with sufficient opportunity for anyone to actually don one of the underseat lifejackets, escape, and be supported in the water by it until rescued? If there is I certainly can't recall it. Those lifejackets are, in my opinion, a completely pointless exercise in passenger 'reassurance' (But I'm happy to be corrected if anyone can) Moggy
That hijakced Ethiopian Airlines 767. Folks had the time to put on the lifevests but most opted to not listen to or read the SOP and decided to inflate them before exiting the aircraft.
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At the end of the day it's theft ,and the law requires that life jackets are available, and if they are not there then an aircraft can't fly The likely hood of an aircraft ditching into the sea and passengers actually getting out is not that high,if memory serves me right the Ethiopian 767 that ditched there were very few ,if any got out a live Kevin

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The last example of a modern airliner ditching was the ATR in August in Sicily. It broke up and sank - it was something like 19 killed 16 survived. Mind you, it was Mediterranean in August, and ATR. A jet might have higher ditching speed...
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Is there any recorded example of a modern passenger aircraft ditching with sufficient opportunity for anyone to actually don one of the underseat lifejackets, escape, and be supported in the water by it until rescued? If there is I certainly can't recall it. Those lifejackets are, in my opinion, a completely pointless exercise in passenger 'reassurance' (But I'm happy to be corrected if anyone can) Moggy
A DC-8 ditched with all on board surviving. The Aircraft remained intact and afloat. Passengers donned lifejackets and awaited their eventual rescue. A 707 also ditched in a large river. OK it was a cargo plane, but it remained afloat long enough for the crew to don their life jackets and exit the aicraft, no casualties.
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At the end of the day it's theft ,and the law requires that life jackets are available, and if they are not there then an aircraft can't fly The likely hood of an aircraft ditching into the sea and passengers actually getting out is not that high,if memory serves me right the Ethiopian 767 that ditched there were very few ,if any got out a live Kevin
The Ethiopian 767 ditching is/was not a good example. It had been hijacked and flown to the point of fuel starvation. The ditching was going well untill at around 30 feet above the water the hijackers bagan a fight in the cockpit with the Captain who was flying the plane at the time getting hit over the head with a weapon, causing an involuntary command of the yoke to the left, which dipped the left wing. It hit first and the resulting G-forces ripped the plan apart. Had there not been a fight in the cockpit, its quite possible the plane would have belly landed relatively softly and intact.

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The Ethiopian 767 ditching is/was not a good example. It had been hijacked and flown to the point of fuel starvation. The ditching was going well untill at around 30 feet above the water the hijackers bagan a fight in the cockpit with the Captain who was flying the plane at the time getting hit over the head with a weapon, causing an involuntary command of the yoke to the left, which dipped the left wing. It hit first and the resulting G-forces ripped the plan apart. Had there not been a fight in the cockpit, its quite possible the plane would have belly landed relatively softly and intact.
I also believe the Ethiopian ditching happened in quite shallow water,and was also close enough to the shore for people watching on the beach to wade out there and help people who suffered injuries
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I also believe the Ethiopian ditching happened in quite shallow water,and was also close enough to the shore for people watching on the beach to wade out there and help people who suffered injuries
it did indeed. With the whole horror captured on video, you can clearly see the plane gliding in for a perfect ditching, then twitching to the left at the last and most critical moment. Once that left wingtip contacted the water and "dug in" it was all over.
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The Lajes(sp?) Air Transat A330 which miraculously glided to an airbase runway after a massive fuel leak only a few years ago comes to mind. The crew knew it was a strong possibility of a ditching and all PAX were wearing life jackets on landing. Lifejackets are not pointless and these thieves are now convicted criminals..HA. Same goes for safety card fools. Now for some trivia; Ryanair new aircraft deliveries don't have lifejackets under the seats so where are they? Have a guess. :)
In a locker labeled CREW ONLY perhaps? Nah that'd be to easy. My bet is the lifejackets are in a position that smack ya in the face, like the "safety Card" stuck to the back of the seat in front.
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If Ryanair a/c now don't have life jackets under the seats, I'm not surprised. Given Ryanair's modus-operandi, no doubt that if an emergency occurs standard procedures are for the crew to sell or rent them to passengers who want them :) Andy
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In a locker labeled CREW ONLY perhaps? Nah that'd be to easy. My bet is the lifejackets are in a position that smack ya in the face, like the "safety Card" stuck to the back of the seat in front.
Knowing RYR , you will have to Buy one
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Those lifejackets are, in my opinion, a completely pointless exercise in passenger 'reassurance' (But I'm happy to be corrected if anyone can) Moggy
I strongly dought you would be saying that if a flight you were on a flight had to ditch? Any reassurance is better than none at all, IMHO! :D
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If Ryanair a/c now don't have life jackets under the seats, I'm not surprised. Given Ryanair's modus-operandi, no doubt that if an emergency occurs standard procedures are for the crew to sell or rent them to passengers who want them :) Andy
Is that even legal? I thought all commercial aircraft, especially PAX ones, were required by law to carry lifejackets? You're probably right about the renting. No doubt also, the seat cushions can be uses as flotation devices, for an additional fee.

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Now for some trivia; Ryanair new aircraft deliveries don't have lifejackets under the seats so where are they? Have a guess. :)
I'm guessing in a compartment in the PSU (overhead panel) the same as on DBA 737's. 1L.
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No doubt also, the seat cushions can be uses as flotation devices, for an additional fee.
Well that's how US airlines do it on their domestic-ish fleets - the cushion as a floatation device that is, not charging for them! :o Andy