By: Moggy C
- 18th January 2006 at 11:11Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I strongly doubt you would be saying that if a flight you were on a flight had to ditch?
Any reassurance is better than none at all, IMHO! :D
I assure you that it I was on a commercial jet that was planning a ditching I'd consider ending up outside the aircraft alive to be such a remote possibility that I would probably be better employed texting my goodbyes, than farting around with a lifejacket I was never going to live to benefit from.
Just to clarify - my original posting in no way condones the actions of the scrotes who stole the jackets. It was a genuine attempt to see if the massed knowledge here confirmed or refuted my theory that underseat jackets are a total placebo, meant to give the passengers something to fiddle around with in the last few minutes of their life, in preference to pointless panic.
By: cloud_9
- 18th January 2006 at 11:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just to clarify - my original posting in no way condones the actions of the scrotes who stole the jackets. It was a genuine attempt to see if the massed knowledge here confirmed or refuted my theory that underseat jackets are a total placebo, meant to give the passengers something to fiddle around with in the last few minutes of their life, in preference to pointless panic.
Moggy
Well Moggy you are entitled to your opinion, but I certainly welcome the possibility of surviving a ditching with the use of a life-jacket, rather than (as you said) use the last minutes of my life in some sort of 'pointless panic' :D
By: Skymonster
- 18th January 2006 at 11:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Even if you float, if the sharks don't get you (in warm water) the ice cold north Atlantic surely will! :)
Seriously, if the lifejacket gives me one more minute afloat, and if in that minute I can get to a liferaft, then I'll take the lifejacket thankyou. As such, I think that they hold a fairly remote but non-the-less tangible possiblility of preserving life and thus are justified.
By: Michael_Mcr
- 19th January 2006 at 16:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I assure you that it I was on a commercial jet that was planning a ditching I'd consider ending up outside the aircraft alive to be such a remote possibility that I would probably be better employed texting my goodbyes, than farting around with a lifejacket I was never going to live to benefit from.
Moggy
So the pilot lines his Airbus glider up for a perfect flare onto water and then the fly-by-wire goes all wobbly because some eeejit has switched his mobile phone on.... :)
It would be like that Etheopia crash all over again.....
By: cloud_9
- 19th January 2006 at 16:36Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So the pilot lines his Airbus glider up for a perfect flare onto water and then the fly-by-wire goes all wobbly because some eeejit has switched his mobile phone on.... :)
lmao. :D
What is the probability of surviving a landing/ditching of a commerical airliner on water?
I always thought the chances were very low, however, with technology and development of safer aircraft these days, has the possibility of survival increased?
By: Moggy C
- 19th January 2006 at 16:50Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What is the probability of surviving a landing/ditching of a commerical airliner on water?
I would guess that was totally dependent on the cause of the descent.
For any reason other than a fuel related one - nil. Any other problem that can make it impossible for the aircraft to maintain altitude will by definition make a successful ditching impossible too.
In the case of a fuel related one, almost certainly very slim.
By: Bmused55
- 19th January 2006 at 17:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I would guess that was totally dependent on the cause of the descent.
For any reason other than a fuel related one - nil. Any other problem that can make it impossible for the aircraft to maintain altitude will by definition make a successful ditching impossible too.
In the case of a fuel related one, almost certainly very slim.
Moggy
I beleive the DC-8 that ditched and rermained afloat with no casualties ditched to to fuel starvation. That might shoot your theory out of the water, pun definately intended. :D
By: DarrenBe
- 19th January 2006 at 21:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
lmao. :D
What is the probability of surviving a landing/ditching of a commerical airliner on water?
I always thought the chances were very low, however, with technology and development of safer aircraft these days, has the possibility of survival increased?
Because there have been very few airliners having to intentionally ditch onto water, no-one really knows. I have seen figures quoting a survival rate of upto 60%.
Suffice to say, there have been a number of successful ditchings, the DC9 and 767 incidents mentioned previously and not forgetting the succesful ditching of a 737 into a river, due to both engines flaming out, in Asia only a couple of years ago. In the 737 incident everyone survived the inital ditching, but unfortunately one cabin attendant drowned in the river during the evacuation.
By: andrewm
- 20th January 2006 at 01:43Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Neighbours crash i thought was very well filmed to be like what I imagine a real crash would be. Mind you the DC3 did still afloat alot longer (at least 1 hour) than you would expect!! Too bad about David, Liliana and Serene dying! Thank god Sky didnt Bmi star and me are thankful for that :D
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By: redsquare
- 20th January 2006 at 01:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm guessing in a compartment in the PSU (overhead panel) the same as on DBA 737's.
1L.
and
On the Ryanair 737-800 that brought me back to Gothenburg today, the life jackets were pointed out by the cabin crew as being in the overhead panels.
1L.
Yep, watch your head. They're up with the oxygen masks to stop them going on the hop and so the cabin checks are reduced. I like the jokes, can just see the cabin crew trying to flog lifejackets, how about a deluxe version with parachute. :D
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By: Moggy C - 18th January 2006 at 11:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I assure you that it I was on a commercial jet that was planning a ditching I'd consider ending up outside the aircraft alive to be such a remote possibility that I would probably be better employed texting my goodbyes, than farting around with a lifejacket I was never going to live to benefit from.
Just to clarify - my original posting in no way condones the actions of the scrotes who stole the jackets. It was a genuine attempt to see if the massed knowledge here confirmed or refuted my theory that underseat jackets are a total placebo, meant to give the passengers something to fiddle around with in the last few minutes of their life, in preference to pointless panic.
Moggy
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By: cloud_9 - 18th January 2006 at 11:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well Moggy you are entitled to your opinion, but I certainly welcome the possibility of surviving a ditching with the use of a life-jacket, rather than (as you said) use the last minutes of my life in some sort of 'pointless panic' :D
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By: Skymonster - 18th January 2006 at 11:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Even if you float, if the sharks don't get you (in warm water) the ice cold north Atlantic surely will! :)
Seriously, if the lifejacket gives me one more minute afloat, and if in that minute I can get to a liferaft, then I'll take the lifejacket thankyou. As such, I think that they hold a fairly remote but non-the-less tangible possiblility of preserving life and thus are justified.
Andy
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By: symon - 18th January 2006 at 23:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
on the subject of....the life jackets didnt look to be doing them much good in Neighbours tonight :p
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By: Papa Lima - 19th January 2006 at 00:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
On the Ryanair 737-800 that brought me back to Gothenburg today, the life jackets were pointed out by the cabin crew as being in the overhead panels.
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By: Bmused55 - 19th January 2006 at 08:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You poor thing, getting forced into watching that guff!
You were forced, right?
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By: symon - 19th January 2006 at 13:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
er....yes.....i was, only wanted to see it for the DC-3 :rolleyes: was actually a hot topic at uni today!
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By: cloud_9 - 19th January 2006 at 15:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What is wrong with Neighbours?
It is a perfectly good soap...quite watchable, and even more so with the plane crashing... :p
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By: Bmused55 - 19th January 2006 at 15:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You do realise, I'm gonna have to poke you in the eyes now, don't you?
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By: Michael_Mcr - 19th January 2006 at 16:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So the pilot lines his Airbus glider up for a perfect flare onto water and then the fly-by-wire goes all wobbly because some eeejit has switched his mobile phone on.... :)It would be like that Etheopia crash all over again.....
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By: cloud_9 - 19th January 2006 at 16:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
lmao. :D
What is the probability of surviving a landing/ditching of a commerical airliner on water?
I always thought the chances were very low, however, with technology and development of safer aircraft these days, has the possibility of survival increased?
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By: Moggy C - 19th January 2006 at 16:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I would guess that was totally dependent on the cause of the descent.
For any reason other than a fuel related one - nil. Any other problem that can make it impossible for the aircraft to maintain altitude will by definition make a successful ditching impossible too.
In the case of a fuel related one, almost certainly very slim.
Moggy
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By: Grey Area - 19th January 2006 at 17:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Unless it's a Boeing 314....... :diablo:
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By: Moggy C - 19th January 2006 at 17:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Stupid boy!
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By: Bmused55 - 19th January 2006 at 17:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I beleive the DC-8 that ditched and rermained afloat with no casualties ditched to to fuel starvation. That might shoot your theory out of the water, pun definately intended. :D
I'm, googling for info now.
EDIT: DC-9 Ditching
A DC-8 ditching:
05/02/1970 15:50
LOCATION: Near St. Croix, US Virgin Islands
CARRIER: Antillian Airlines FLIGHT: 980
AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-9-33CF
REGISTRY: N935F S/N: 47407
ABOARD: 63 FATAL: 23 GROUND:
DETAILS: The flight was scheduled to fly from New York to St.
Maarten. Because poor visibility, the aircraft could not land at St.
Maarten and was diverted to San Juan, Puerto Rico. Five minutes
later the crew was told the weather had improved at St. Maarten and
were directed back. After 3 missed landing attempts at St. Maarten,
the crew asked to be diverted to St. Thomas. By this time the plane
was low on fuel. While flying to St. Thomas, the aircraft ran out of
fuel and ditched into the ocean. Improper management of fuel by the
crew. Inadequate warning given to passengers before the ditching.
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By: Bmused55 - 19th January 2006 at 17:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Please refrain from personal attacks!
You have been warned!
he he... thought I'd try that out. :diablo:
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By: DarrenBe - 19th January 2006 at 21:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Because there have been very few airliners having to intentionally ditch onto water, no-one really knows. I have seen figures quoting a survival rate of upto 60%.
Suffice to say, there have been a number of successful ditchings, the DC9 and 767 incidents mentioned previously and not forgetting the succesful ditching of a 737 into a river, due to both engines flaming out, in Asia only a couple of years ago. In the 737 incident everyone survived the inital ditching, but unfortunately one cabin attendant drowned in the river during the evacuation.
This site - http://www.geocities.com/khlim777_my/asditchingissues.htm#Can has some interesting information.
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By: andrewm - 20th January 2006 at 01:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Neighbours crash i thought was very well filmed to be like what I imagine a real crash would be. Mind you the DC3 did still afloat alot longer (at least 1 hour) than you would expect!! Too bad about David, Liliana and Serene dying! Thank god Sky didnt Bmi star and me are thankful for that :D
Back to Topic before we enter GD teritory!
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By: redsquare - 20th January 2006 at 01:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
and
Yep, watch your head. They're up with the oxygen masks to stop them going on the hop and so the cabin checks are reduced. I like the jokes, can just see the cabin crew trying to flog lifejackets, how about a deluxe version with parachute. :D
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By: andrewm - 20th January 2006 at 02:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How do you access them if they are in the Overhead??? Does the cpt have to release the panel from the cockpit to let people get life jackets??