Electra crash 2011

Profile picture for user topspeed

Member for

10 years 8 months

Posts: 2,595

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wiBovZ5pc4 I assume this was modified Locheed Electra ..is it ? What happened ?
Original post
Profile picture for user longshot

Member for

11 years 2 months

Posts: 1,667

Highly modified! ....looks like a Beech 18 to me

Member for

11 years 4 months

Posts: 652

Yes...a Beech 18
Profile picture for user 27vet

Member for

9 years 11 months

Posts: 2,657

No speculation intended about the accident in question but I will share some experience. Small freight operators...I know of several accidents where the cargo shifted during takeoff putting the C of G out of limits. It happened to me already. The other danger was that in planes with only a rear door, such as the King Air series, the freight can block the emergency exit. By law it not supposed to, but as I said, small operators and/or failure to follow regulations/ pilots desperately trying to build hours... The freight should be secured by 9g cargo nets, but they can break as well. RIP to the poor pilot.
Profile picture for user topspeed

Member for

10 years 8 months

Posts: 2,595

Sounds a bit like it was not well maintained. I picked the accident since I have been sketching a bit similarly laid out design for 2 x 100 ULS 912 engines. There is 10 m2 of solar panels to provide electricity to run pressurization...could that work ? Named after the 4th moon of Jupiter.
Attachment Size
1_8-seater-pressurization2.JPG 68.53 KB
Profile picture for user 27vet

Member for

9 years 11 months

Posts: 2,657

Pressurisation?

Member for

11 years 6 months

Posts: 1,059

Sounds like no. 2 engine packed up to me.
Profile picture for user 27vet

Member for

9 years 11 months

Posts: 2,657

Yes, the Beech 18 in question appears to have been a result of poor maintenance. But the plane should fly at sea level at gross weight on one engine. Airport elevation is 8 feet amsl. I can't find the NTSB report to see if overloading was a factor.
Profile picture for user topspeed

Member for

10 years 8 months

Posts: 2,595

Pressurisation?
Yeah see aeroplanes need pressurization ovet 20 000 ft.
Attachment Size
1_8-seaterKACHOW.JPG 104.21 KB
Profile picture for user 27vet

Member for

9 years 11 months

Posts: 2,657

Topspeed, start another thread and we can discuss your innovation there :). We don't want to deviate from the main topic here as the Beech 18 is not pressurized. cheers Ralph
Profile picture for user topspeed

Member for

10 years 8 months

Posts: 2,595

Sorry 27vet...no intention to divert from the subject. Beech 18 and Locheed 12A were from 1936...2 years after DH89 flew. All beautiful classics that inspire my design work. Do you know actually which ac in this size class was the first to be pressurized ?
Attachment Size
1_8-seater_beech18comp.JPG 73.32 KB
Profile picture for user 27vet

Member for

9 years 11 months

Posts: 2,657

From a quick internet search, the earliest that I have found so far (among contemporary aircraft) is the Beech King Air.
In the early 1960's, Beech modified the basic Queen Air design, replacing the piston-prop engines with powerful new turboprop engines -- jet engines turning propellors -- and pressurized the cabin to allow flight into the thin air at high altitudes -- permitting full use of the high-altitude capabilities afforded by the new turboprop engines. The result was the Model 90 King Air
http://home.iwichita.com/rh1/hold/av/avhist/bch/raytheon.htm You can check out the dates of other piston twins, Beech Duke, Cessna 340, Piper Aerostar. They date back to the early 1970s. I'm sure that there would have been something earlier than 1960 but nothing comes to mind right now. I've flown the Cessna 414 and 421 and King Air series (but they arrived in the scene much later apart from the King Air 90.)
Profile picture for user Newforest

Member for

14 years 6 months

Posts: 8,807

Yes, the Beech 18 in question appears to have been a result of poor maintenance. But the plane should fly at sea level at gross weight on one engine. Airport elevation is 8 feet amsl. I can't find the NTSB report to see if overloading was a factor.
Final report not issued yet. Only the preliminary report is available which is basically reported verbatim on the ASN record.
Profile picture for user 27vet

Member for

9 years 11 months

Posts: 2,657

Yup, NTSB website finalized accident reports date to around 2009 -2010.