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By: 15th November 2013 at 16:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Sad news. A twin flying on a placid day. What could possibly go wrong?
Flying can always bite.
Moggy
By: 15th November 2013 at 18:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Possibly a C.310. R.I.P.
By: 15th November 2013 at 20:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Not wishing to be ghoulish but Mirror News has three pictures which the AAIB may find helpful:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hawarden-airport-crash-dramatic-picture-2795425
By: 15th November 2013 at 22:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I think all that we can do is offer our condolences to friends and family. A sad day indeed.
By: 15th November 2013 at 23:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Chester/Hawarden resident aircraft, Cessna 310Q G-BXUY.
By: 16th November 2013 at 00:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Seeing those images it's remarkable that the aircraft is still as complete as it is when it came to rest. I've no idea as to what went wrong but I wonder if the pilot had collapsed and the woman was trying to land it. What ever, a sad day indeed and I sent my condolences to their families.
By: 16th November 2013 at 09:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-There is a 310 that passes over my house every day(Staffs/Cheshire borders) at about
1000' AGL either heading northwest toward North Wales/Liverpool area or heading back
southeast.
This accident at Harwarden seems too much of a coincidence:apologetic:.
By: 17th November 2013 at 10:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Tribute from the pilot's father.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/two-dead-after-aircraft-comes-6309782
By: 13th November 2014 at 18:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/november_2014/cessna_310q__g_bxuy.cfm
The AAIB report is published.
By: 14th November 2014 at 13:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-That doesn't seem like a sensible way to build an aircraft. If the reserve tanks are lower than the mains surely they need their own fuel pumps to transfer fuel to the mains. Why not put the mains in the wing and make the tip tsnks he reserve? That way fuel from the reserves could be transferred to the mains by gravvity.
By: 14th November 2014 at 14:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Too many separate tanks, some of which feed into others, and some of which rely on electric pumps to feed correctly etc etc. It is unnecessarily complex. The 421C with its wet wing was quite an improvement, but the older tip-tank majority have killed or embarrassed many pilots.
An exciting featurette of the 300/400 Cessnas is that the pumps responsible for transferring from Locker (aux) tanks into the mains cannot keep pace with the rate at which the engines drain the mains. So, if you are low fuel on the mains and have overlooked transferring the locker tanks into the mains, you are in trouble and can't guarantee recovery even by switching the pumps on. (Not the cause in this particular instance though)
Another is that the transfer pumps are fuel-lubricated. If you leave the pumps on when the locker tank is empty, the pumps burn out.
All in all the fuel system wasn't one of Mr Cessna's finest efforts.
Moggy
(Info supplied by an experienced Cessna twin flyer)
By: 14th November 2014 at 15:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Mind you, not the only company to do silly things with their fuel systems. If the pilot looks down at the fuel cocks in a P-38 ( located on his left) logic would say rear tap= left engine, fron tap= right engine but it's the other way round. If it's posible to make a mistake you can guarantee someone will, especially in an emergency.
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By: Derekf - 15th November 2013 at 14:53
The BBC are reporting a fatal accident at Hawarden this afternoon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24958766