Whats your opinion ??

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On the Post, Trolls beware. I mentioned bringing back the "Cat O Nine tails" This may have been flogged to death, pardon the pun, but in your opinion, is our Juditial System long overdue for a radical overhaul?. If a person has been sentenced to life.then I.M.H.O. it should mean just that, not out in about 9 or 10 yrs. Jim. Lincoln .7
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troll is just another word for someone who doesn't agree with the rest , i mean how dare someone have the gall to have a differing view moderators call it trolls others call it cencorship of anyone offering a differing view to the majority funny but i was braught up to believe that russia was wrong for thier secret police vetting everything they didn't want said some people may not like others views so it is easier to label as a troll and delete because that is easier than a rational debate , if you are too dim to listen to other sides people have lost the art of communication because delete is the easy answer if something isn't liked rather than discussing it !!

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Our judicial system seems to work fine as it is.
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the whole justice and policing system has long been unfit for purpose , the laws are there but 90% aren't even bothered with ( it is long since i saw anyone booked and fined for disturbing the peace ) yet i'm sure it is still in use !! sentencing is a joke you would probably get as long for talking on your mobile whilst driving as you would for manslaughter
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Our judicial system seems to work fine as it is.
honnestly ??? just one of many points if it works just fine how come a crimminal going up infront of court cannot have his previous crimes read out ???? surely if convicting for a crime his previous M.O. is critical information if it worked that well ian huntley would never have got as far as he did as he was a serial offender

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Well..... lets start with the following A written constitution. A bill of rights. An elected second chamber. Excess to the law for people on modest means. Revision of the tax laws. simplyfying the process and closing all loopholes for the rich. Elected Chief Constables. End to the "first past the post system". As for any form of capital punishment. I thought we had grown up a little as a society and got away from all that barbaric nonsence. If you ever have to resort to such actions it just means society has failed completly and we are going back hundreds of years. With regard to jail sentences, just look at the US system. This has resulted in the vast majority of cases being settled by "plea bargin". This has in turn resulted in lots of miscarriges of justice and plenty of people wrongfully imprisioned since they become afaid of challenging crazy long sentences. Lets concentrate on getting people back to work. If people are working and earning then crime will reduce.

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On the Post, Trolls beware. I mentioned bringing back the "Cat O Nine tails" This may have been flogged to death, pardon the pun, but in your opinion, is our Juditial System long overdue for a radical overhaul?. If a person has been sentenced to life.then I.M.H.O. it should mean just that, not out in about 9 or 10 yrs. Jim. Lincoln .7
A huge overhaul is certainly needed as it now seems that justice favours the criminal not the victim. Also prison is not seen as something to fear by crooks and low lifes. I personally feel that all sentences should mean what they are, and no time for good behaviour. Nobody who gets a 10 years sentence or whatever should be walking the streets again 7 years later. Also in that time they should be doing things to rehabilitate and repay society back. Prison should not be a soft option and it should be seen as a severe punishment where freedoms and liberties are totally taken away. If you commit a crime you go against society and should forfeit many human rights until you have repaid society back. This means no TV in cells and should mean hard labour there must be jobs and alike that can be created to put prisoners time to good use. I also feel that and I know its controversial, but I feel life prisoners could be used in effect to test new medical breakthoughs and drugs instead of animals. It sounds awful but this way they would be repaying society back and at least be of some use in life. I have to say that my views on hanging have somewhat changed as I always felt it was the best way to deal with murderers etc. Now I think a long sentence is more punishment as death is easy way out. I am not sure what can be changed while the words "Human rights" ring in everybodies ears. Either way the justice system needs to be seen to be strong and punishments need to fit the crimes committed but also fair and rehabilitating for the criminal in the long run. Now thats a sword which is hard to dance on I guess with no easy answers.

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The problem is simple; the solution equally simple. Everyone appears to know their civic "rights". No one appears to know their civic responsibilities. That includes the Judiciary administering the Justice system. When all in our society have a clear knowledge and understanding of their civic responsibilities and obligations in the same way as they do their rights, then harmony and order and balance will, once again, be the governing influences in society. None of this is likely to take place unless certain moral values such as shame, embarrassment, unselfishness, honesty and the like are once again part of our daily lives. Although by nature an optimist, I hold out little hope. Western society seems to be in the grip of a Left wing mindset which extols "the lowest common denominator" instead of the "highest common factor", which denigrates and demeans the concepts of achievement and excellence in favour of the mundane and ordinary. Leftist thinking has reduced this once independant and capable nation into an ignorant, un-educated, self obsessed, celebrity worshipping collection of morons. The behaviour of our Judiciary is witness to the above. Can anyone explain or justify some of the recent and not-so-recent pronouncements of the Bench? The constant bending over backwards to placate the career criminals. The derisory weak sentences handed down to habitual offenders. The constant judicial failure to protect the victim at the expense of the villain. Every day, there are reports in the media of the shameful abrogation and failure of the justice system. Who pays? We the public. We require root and branch reform of the justice system. We need the imposition of sentencing that properly reflects the gravity of the crime. Until we grasp the nettle of "zero tolerance" people's lives will continue to be blighted by the minority of wicked people who make criminality their whole existance. John Green

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Can someone please explain to me why all those involved in the banking industry, who were responsible by and large for causing emense damage to the countrys economic demise have escaped any legal action ? Can someone please explain how members of the police have escaped retribution by "early retirement" ie post Hillsbourough. Can someone please explain to me how people who avoid paying the correct amount of tax go without punishment? Can someone please explain how the actions of the "Bullingdon Club" were not prosecuted. I could go on and on however, it strikes me if your rich the law does not apply to you. Any problems spend a fortune on a fancy QC and he will get you off. They probably all went to the same public school anyway. If you are going to incarcerate hundreds of thousands of people for lots of years you are going to have to build lots and lots more prisions. Plus pay for said incarceration. Who's going to pay for this. Probably the pensioners since thats who the current Government have just hit tax wise in the latest budget.

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Can someone please explain how the actions of the "Bullingdon Club" were not prosecuted...
What actions?

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I'm sure your own research will provide that information.
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Scrap the human rights act, and bring back birching and public capital punishment...

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I'm sure your own research will provide that information.
Getting pissed and causing a bit of criminal damage? That sounds like pretty standard behaviour for young UK men these days; and I’m not sure the average culprit pays (or expects to pay) for the damage. Isn’t the real ‘crime’ of the members of the Bullingdon Club that they are ‘posh’?

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Ahhh Creaking Door Young rich men having fun and causing damage is high jinks. Poor men causing damage should be subject to capital punishment. I thought so......

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Al So its open the poor house for the pensioners, send kids up chimneys then. Thats really going to improve society. Is that what they call blue sky thinking ? Dont worry, once the NHS is privatised all the old and lame will be left to die anyway. pip pip !

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Ahhh Creaking Door Young rich men having fun and causing damage is high jinks. Poor men causing damage should be subject to capital punishment. I thought so......
You thought wrong! Please point exactly to the post where I suggest anything of the sort!

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Isn’t the real ‘crime’ of the members of the Bullingdon Club that they are ‘posh’ That is exact enough in my book. You also seem to suggest its ok to damage property if you pay for it afterwards......thats just scary.

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Oh, that’s alright then... ...if you’ve convinced yourself that I’ve advocated the death sentence for ‘poor men’ convicted of criminal damage! :rolleyes:

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touched a nerve ?
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If you give someone a term of imprisonment it should mean just that. Overcrowded prisons. Simple you have a captive work force. Set them to work building more prisons. They will have some skills when they are released. Nonces and rapists are unlikely to change their ways so Life for them Murder is a tricky one for me. Crime of Passion(Ruth Ellis) a term of custody. Bently who was to put kindly was a bit simple hung for five words "Let him have it Craig!" That phrase could have been taken two ways and I doubt he would even be convicted these days. Terrorists,child killers and serial killers I would gladly see them executed. Hanging is barbaric, so a lethal injection would sit well with me.

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touched a nerve ?
No, you’ve just managed to completely misrepresent me and suggest something that I hadn’t even mentioned up to that point.