Sharia law vigilantes on our streets

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I was shocked when this news article cropped up on BBC London news yesterday. Muslim Patrol, a group in East London, is enforcing Sharia law on the streets of the capital. Telling girls to cover up, snatching alcohol off quiet passers-by and telling gays to "get out of this Muslim area". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gA03rXifM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5O2-3kwndg&bpctr=1358958225 Posters have also been put up around the area; http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/27/article-2019547-0D076F6F00000578-268_233x423.jpg http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21142148 I can't wait for the day a member of the group walks down my road so I can enforce some of my own street vigilante justice on them!
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sign of the times in the UK... sickening
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granted some of the rules on the poster are quite good, however, no! makes me sick to think were losing areas of the country to sharia law, where (without meaning to sound racist) a white man cant walk down the road without being verbally abused by people like the "Muslim patrol" those fools in suits need to sort this country out before its completely ruined
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too late for that me thinks...
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according to reports,this `gang` was two men,both were arrested and have been condemned by local mosques for stoking up racial tension.Sadly you`re always going to get idiots....
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Trying to enforce medieval laws on a modern society...
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according to reports,this `gang` was two men,both were arrested
I think the gang comprises of slightly more than two, but you are right in saying this is an isolated group in the Islamic community. Without wanting to sound like a racist, if these men don't like the rules in the country they know where they can go! :p The truly sickening thing is, with a criminal record under their belts they're never going to get a job in this economic climate so they will inevitably be kept warm at the expense of the law-abiding UK tax payer.
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Sounds like yet another example of the media ( BBC again?) stirring up a relatively trivial story for sensationalism.

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I can't imagine why anyone is surprised. It is all so predictable. The events in Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria and now Algeria and Mali and these occurences on the streets of Britain are all linked with the establishment and acceptance of the world wide Caliphate. Pop into your local mosque. There should be literature a-plenty and they'll be pleased to think that someone is interested enough to ask questions and may indeed be a potential convert.
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Without wanting to sound like a racist, if these men don't like the rules in the country they know where they can go.
And where do you propose to send other types of people who don't like the rules in this country, such as tax avoiders, persistent speeders and those who flout the law regarding hunting with hounds? Fair's fair.

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Re 10 Grey Area That's a specious argument. The people you mention do not pose an acute threat to the life and limb and liberty of the broad mass of people in this and other countries. The standard medical treatment for most forms of cancer is to surgically remove it. In the context of this particular 'cancer' our leaders lack the will and conviction to do anything about it. So, their apparent toleration of this rather nasty affliction means that it grows stronger, more confident in the belief that it will not be immediately challenged and they are right. In the meantime our leaders take refuge in the lying obfuscation that our Armed Forces by their actions abroad are 'keeping the streets of our cities free from terrorist activities'. And that is what the public believe !
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Nice rant, John. Just so we understand one another, are you giving me to understand that each and every individual Muslim around the world - around 20% of the world's population - shares a common purpose that poses an acute and present danger to the UK and 'other countries'? Or is it just the ones who live in places where you'd rather they didn't?
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It entirely depends on your point of view. The vast majority of Muslims ive met are totally peaceful, and are about as nice as people get. However, many of them would like to live by Sharia. They don't want to violently enforce it on others, but they still want it all the same. This is fine for now, until such a time as they become the majority in the UK (which, going by current trends, is only a matter of time now. I'd even suspect that their are far more practicing Muslims in the UK now than all other religious groups combined), and then our democratic society will favour their system. At what point is it a danger? Now, or when it's too late? I don't know about you, but I don't want future generations of my family having to live in an oppressive religious regime. Instead of the government supporting Sharia law, they should have been opposing it.
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Not wanting to generalise, although I know I am with the comment, it seems to be the Muslims from the Pakistan region that cause the majority of the problems in the UK. Bar the Libyan problems from the '80s, North Africans and those from the Arabian peninsula don't seem to cause too many issues and I've found them to be very accustomed and respectful to British culture. Or at least more so than those from Pakistan and the surrounding territories.
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I don't know about you, but I'd rather see the resources of our Police and security services used to identify, locate and neutralise those who actually pose a threat to life and limb in the UK - irrespective of creed and colour - rather than being wasted in pandering to people's prejudices. No UK government has ever advocated or supported Sharia law in this country, and what laws foreign governments choose to implement in their own domain is their own business.
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Nothing new about allowing people to choose to use religious courts for civil matters, mate. Are you familiar with Beth Din? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7233040.stm
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I don't know about you, but I'd rather see the resources of our Police and security services used to identify, locate and neutralise those who actually pose a threat to life and limb in the UK -
Being ex Army "neutralise" has a different meaning if that is what you mean I am all for it!
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I have no problem whatsoever with the use of deadly force as a last resort, when it is the only available means of preventing imminent death or serious injury to innocents. It becomes a problem when it is routinely used as a first resort or to enact a political or religious prejudice, though. That's what the bad guys do, isn't it?

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Re 12 Grey Area No I'm not inferring anything, If any of us have a quarrel with Islam, it is more with militant Islam, the Islam that espouses enforced Sharia and evangelises the concept of Caliphate (Google it). We seem to my eyes to have more of this variety in Western Europe than the more liberal, tractable kind kind of Islam with whom we can all live. You know well, that the illiberal. autocratic variety of Sharia that we appear to have in this country is 'streets away' from the kind of avuncular advice commonly offered by the Beth Din tribunals of Judaism. I've said this before: I fervently hope that I am completely wrong in my forecast. However my experience like my memory is long, and I remember that successive Governments in this country have, from time to time, expressed the pious hope that the democratic, liberal experience of life in this country would persuade those arriving here and who did not hold those views would instead, over time adopt the habits and customs and political and religious tolerance of the host country. It did not happen and it won't happen. The reasons are not complex. Sharia supporting Moslems in this country do not like what they see and hear in the way the majority of our people live their lives. I for one, do not blame them. The behaviour of a significant number of our people as witnessed by the Police and the NHS and Social Services on the High St. at weekends is disgraceful. You don't hear of many Moslems being arrested for hooliganism and drunkeness. If we can instill some sense of correct behaviour and propriety in the way the British conduct themselves this, by itself, would do more than anything else to impede the progress of Sharia.
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There was once this chap, Enoch Powell, remember what he said?, and he was just laughed off. :rolleyes: Jim. Lincoln .7