By: Creaking Door
- 26th March 2015 at 21:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Around 3a.m.
Another classic 'seen a ghost' circumstance!
Maybe you dreamt what you 'saw'? It seems a little strange to me that in a strange house and being responsible for the protection of a young child that you went back to sleep immediately after you were disturbed by somebody that you didn't recognise entering a bedroom at that hour. It also seems strange that you asked where your goddaughter's father was (thinking it had been him); don't you recognise your goddaughter's father by sight?
Excuse me for asking these questions but I'm a sceptic (as you can probably tell).
When it comes to 'ghosts' why is it that nobody ever seems to see one on a bright sunny day in the middle of a park with lots of people around? Why are they almost always half-asleep or somewhere with poor visibility or somewhere where their imagination can get the better of them? Why, despite practically everybody in the country having a high-definition, low-light capable, camera on them, almost every minute of the day and night, and the ability to self-publish images on YouTube, is the world not simply flooded with footage of 'ghosts'?
By: Edgar Brooks
- 26th March 2015 at 22:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe you dreamt what you 'saw'? It seems a little strange to me that in a strange house
I'd been a regular visitor there for 3 years, godfather to the daughter for two years, and an older son for 5.
being responsible for the protection of a young child that you went back to sleep immediately after you were disturbed by somebody that you didn't recognise entering a bedroom at that hour
.
I assumed it was her father; who else could it have been?
It also seems strange that you asked where your goddaughter's father was (thinking it had been him); don't you recognise your goddaughter's father by sight?
Does your house have only one room? Theirs didn't, so I assumed he was elsewhere in the house.
Excuse me for asking these questions but I'm a sceptic (as you can probably tell).
Questions I don't mind; the underlying sarcasm and curled lip I do find offensive.
By: Creaking Door
- 27th March 2015 at 00:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hey, there was nothing 'underlying' about my sarcasm.....my sarcasm was out in the open, up front!
But, excuse me, lip curling? My lip wasn't, isn't, and never will be 'curled'!
What I meant by a 'strange' house was a house that was not your own; a house that, maybe, you may have been a little more alarmed at the appearance of a strange (and by that I mean somebody that you did not recognise) man in your bedroom at three in the morning. I'm not suggesting that you were unfamiliar with the house; only that you would be less familiar than with your own house.
The point I was trying to make about recognising your goddaughter's father was to examine what you actually saw. In fact, the only thing you can say you saw was 'a man' (rather than a woman, for example). If you'd seen your goddaughter's father well enough to recognise him you wouldn't have had to 'assume' it was him.
So, woken at three in the morning, in a room so dark that you couldn't recognise somebody you knew extremely well, you saw 'a man' and, based on elimination conclude that it could only have been a ghost?
How about this for an alternative scenario: you're babysitting and your goddaughter's mother comes home at about three in the morning. Naturally she checks on her children who are, presumably, in bed. Strangely her daughter isn't in her cot so does the mother just shrug and go off to bed herself or does she look in on you to find her daughter?
She finds you both, has a chuckle about it, and when you ask about the 'man' in the morning she pulls-your-leg with a nice 'ghost story'? Maybe? Is she particularly quick-witted or mischievous?
By: Edgar Brooks
- 27th March 2015 at 09:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What I meant by a 'strange' house was a house that was not your own; a house that, maybe, you may have been a little more alarmed at the appearance of a strange (and by that I mean somebody that you did not recognise) man in your bedroom at three in the morning. I'm not suggesting that you were unfamiliar with the house; only that you would be less familiar than with your own house.
Don't see what any familiarity with the house has to do with seeing a head come round the door, hearing a laugh, then seeing it withdraw.
The point I was trying to make about recognising your goddaughter's father was to examine what you actually saw. In fact, the only thing you can say you saw was 'a man' (rather than a woman, for example). If you'd seen your goddaughter's father well enough to recognise him you wouldn't have had to 'assume' it was him.
Sorry for being thick, but that makes absolutely no sense to me, whatsoever.
So, woken at three in the morning, in a room so dark that you couldn't recognise somebody you knew extremely well, you saw 'a man' and, based on elimination conclude that it could only have been a ghost?
I saw a man's head, which was withdrawn; I'm not making any assumptions, since you're making enough for the two of us. As far as I'm concerned, it was an occurrence that I cannot explain, though the child's mother felt that she could. For me, it remains a mystery, so I leave any explanation to those who are soooooo much cleverer than I, so far with no success.
How about this for an alternative scenario: you're babysitting and your goddaughter's mother comes home at about three in the morning. Naturally she checks on her children who are, presumably, in bed. Strangely her daughter isn't in her cot so does the mother just shrug and go off to bed herself or does she look in on you to find her daughter? She finds you both, has a chuckle about it, and when you ask about the 'man' in the morning she pulls-your-leg with a nice 'ghost story'? Maybe? Is she particularly quick-witted or mischievous?
Her night shift was 10 p.m. - 6 a.m. plus a half-hour walk back home, so she got home in daylight. As far as I'm aware, she'd never had an operation on her vocal cords to make her laugh sound masculine, and the "head" had short hair, while hers was shoulder-length.
By: John Green
- 27th March 2015 at 10:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
CD
You obviously haven't seen that famous CCTV footage captured in broad daylight of a person opening and peering around a side door at Hampton Court Palace - time; around dawn, when the Palace was closed ? The person - I think it was a woman was wearing clothes that were of a previous time (16th century).
There must be a huge amount of ghost like images on photographic record.
By: Creaking Door
- 27th March 2015 at 13:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You obviously haven't seen that famous CCTV footage captured in broad daylight of a person opening and peering around a side door at Hampton Court Palace...
My mischievous side would beg to ask...
...'since when do ghosts need to open and peer round doors?' ;)
By: Creaking Door
- 27th March 2015 at 16:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Rarely, especially if the door hadn't been closed in the first place.
Sorry, I was responding to the post about the 'ghost' caught on CCTV opening the door at Hampton Court Palace...
...but thank you for coming back to explain in more detail the circumstance surrounding your own experience. As you say it is a mystery; I cannot explain it but I love a good mystery and enjoy trying to find a rational explanation for mysterious events. I certainly would not jump to the conclusion that the only explanation is that it was a ghost.
By: Mr Creosote
- 27th March 2015 at 19:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why, despite practically everybody in the country having a high-definition, low-light capable, camera on them, almost every minute of the day and night, and the ability to self-publish images on YouTube, is the world not simply flooded with footage of 'ghosts'?
Exactly. And why is it that with ghosts, UFO's, nearly all "paranormal" activity, even the dear old Loch Ness Monster, there's always just enough anecdotal evidence to make it interesting or exciting, but somehow never quite enough to prove it?
By: Creaking Door
- 28th March 2015 at 09:45Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I suppose these days even if there was really convincing footage of a 'ghost' caught on camera it would be difficult to accept it as genuine; the state-of-the-art with camera effects is so good, even at an amateur level, that it would be too easy to tamper with footage.
By: hampden98
- 29th March 2015 at 23:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What exactly is a ghost?
Is it the spirit of a person who is `stuck` on this plane of existence for some reason or,
just the replaying of some moment of time?
Why do ghosts seem to want to scare us, appear at night or otherwise do weird stuff that
living people do not?
BTW I don't believe in ghosts but I am interested in what people think a ghost is.
By: Moggy C
- 30th March 2015 at 08:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think it would be a very boring world if we already knew 100% of everything that existed.
But it must be said the rationale for the existence of ghosts and spirits is very, very slight. I do come down on the side of it being people unable to find a rational explanation for a happening or phenomena defaulting to a simple, paranormal explanation.
By: 1batfastard
- 1st April 2015 at 00:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi All,
Whether they are real or not you all have to admit that even if just a fraction of what is reported just like Alien/UFO craft are true that's still a fraction unaccounted for, I tend to be on the side of they are real, as an example have any of you who own pets in particular Cats and Dogs, have you ever noticed how they appear to track something in motion when there is nothing about not even those pesky midges :D ? or ever noticed how they will sit and stair at a certain spot as if they are being spoken to sometimes even with ears raised ? I am certain that animals have the ability to see them better than us I am convinced the more I see Penny our last surviving Dog do it but the thing is all three Cats did it (RIP) and Pierce our other dog (RIP) did exactly the same.
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By: Lincoln 7 - 26th March 2015 at 21:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Watch it John Boy, or you will be sitting on the naughty step. (Who are the " Chuckle Bros)/, I'm too old to have even heard of them.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
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By: Creaking Door - 26th March 2015 at 21:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Another classic 'seen a ghost' circumstance!
Maybe you dreamt what you 'saw'? It seems a little strange to me that in a strange house and being responsible for the protection of a young child that you went back to sleep immediately after you were disturbed by somebody that you didn't recognise entering a bedroom at that hour. It also seems strange that you asked where your goddaughter's father was (thinking it had been him); don't you recognise your goddaughter's father by sight?
Excuse me for asking these questions but I'm a sceptic (as you can probably tell).
When it comes to 'ghosts' why is it that nobody ever seems to see one on a bright sunny day in the middle of a park with lots of people around? Why are they almost always half-asleep or somewhere with poor visibility or somewhere where their imagination can get the better of them? Why, despite practically everybody in the country having a high-definition, low-light capable, camera on them, almost every minute of the day and night, and the ability to self-publish images on YouTube, is the world not simply flooded with footage of 'ghosts'?
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By: Edgar Brooks - 26th March 2015 at 22:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'd been a regular visitor there for 3 years, godfather to the daughter for two years, and an older son for 5.
.
I assumed it was her father; who else could it have been?
Does your house have only one room? Theirs didn't, so I assumed he was elsewhere in the house.
Questions I don't mind; the underlying sarcasm and curled lip I do find offensive.
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By: Creaking Door - 27th March 2015 at 00:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hey, there was nothing 'underlying' about my sarcasm.....my sarcasm was out in the open, up front!
But, excuse me, lip curling? My lip wasn't, isn't, and never will be 'curled'!
What I meant by a 'strange' house was a house that was not your own; a house that, maybe, you may have been a little more alarmed at the appearance of a strange (and by that I mean somebody that you did not recognise) man in your bedroom at three in the morning. I'm not suggesting that you were unfamiliar with the house; only that you would be less familiar than with your own house.
The point I was trying to make about recognising your goddaughter's father was to examine what you actually saw. In fact, the only thing you can say you saw was 'a man' (rather than a woman, for example). If you'd seen your goddaughter's father well enough to recognise him you wouldn't have had to 'assume' it was him.
So, woken at three in the morning, in a room so dark that you couldn't recognise somebody you knew extremely well, you saw 'a man' and, based on elimination conclude that it could only have been a ghost?
How about this for an alternative scenario: you're babysitting and your goddaughter's mother comes home at about three in the morning. Naturally she checks on her children who are, presumably, in bed. Strangely her daughter isn't in her cot so does the mother just shrug and go off to bed herself or does she look in on you to find her daughter?
She finds you both, has a chuckle about it, and when you ask about the 'man' in the morning she pulls-your-leg with a nice 'ghost story'? Maybe? Is she particularly quick-witted or mischievous?
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By: Edgar Brooks - 27th March 2015 at 09:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't see what any familiarity with the house has to do with seeing a head come round the door, hearing a laugh, then seeing it withdraw.
Sorry for being thick, but that makes absolutely no sense to me, whatsoever.
I saw a man's head, which was withdrawn; I'm not making any assumptions, since you're making enough for the two of us. As far as I'm concerned, it was an occurrence that I cannot explain, though the child's mother felt that she could. For me, it remains a mystery, so I leave any explanation to those who are soooooo much cleverer than I, so far with no success.
Her night shift was 10 p.m. - 6 a.m. plus a half-hour walk back home, so she got home in daylight. As far as I'm aware, she'd never had an operation on her vocal cords to make her laugh sound masculine, and the "head" had short hair, while hers was shoulder-length.
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By: John Green - 27th March 2015 at 10:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
CD
You obviously haven't seen that famous CCTV footage captured in broad daylight of a person opening and peering around a side door at Hampton Court Palace - time; around dawn, when the Palace was closed ? The person - I think it was a woman was wearing clothes that were of a previous time (16th century).
There must be a huge amount of ghost like images on photographic record.
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By: Creaking Door - 27th March 2015 at 13:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
My mischievous side would beg to ask...
...'since when do ghosts need to open and peer round doors?' ;)
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By: charliehunt - 27th March 2015 at 13:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ghost hunting at Hampton Court was a great pastime as youngsters, when we lived down the road. I think security might be a tad tighter now.......:D
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By: Edgar Brooks - 27th March 2015 at 14:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Rarely, especially if the door hadn't been closed in the first place.
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By: Creaking Door - 27th March 2015 at 16:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry, I was responding to the post about the 'ghost' caught on CCTV opening the door at Hampton Court Palace...
...but thank you for coming back to explain in more detail the circumstance surrounding your own experience. As you say it is a mystery; I cannot explain it but I love a good mystery and enjoy trying to find a rational explanation for mysterious events. I certainly would not jump to the conclusion that the only explanation is that it was a ghost.
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By: Mr Creosote - 27th March 2015 at 19:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Exactly. And why is it that with ghosts, UFO's, nearly all "paranormal" activity, even the dear old Loch Ness Monster, there's always just enough anecdotal evidence to make it interesting or exciting, but somehow never quite enough to prove it?
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By: Creaking Door - 28th March 2015 at 09:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I suppose these days even if there was really convincing footage of a 'ghost' caught on camera it would be difficult to accept it as genuine; the state-of-the-art with camera effects is so good, even at an amateur level, that it would be too easy to tamper with footage.
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By: hampden98 - 29th March 2015 at 23:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What exactly is a ghost?
Is it the spirit of a person who is `stuck` on this plane of existence for some reason or,
just the replaying of some moment of time?
Why do ghosts seem to want to scare us, appear at night or otherwise do weird stuff that
living people do not?
BTW I don't believe in ghosts but I am interested in what people think a ghost is.
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By: charliehunt - 30th March 2015 at 06:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A figment of the imagination, that's all.
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By: Moggy C - 30th March 2015 at 08:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think it would be a very boring world if we already knew 100% of everything that existed.
But it must be said the rationale for the existence of ghosts and spirits is very, very slight. I do come down on the side of it being people unable to find a rational explanation for a happening or phenomena defaulting to a simple, paranormal explanation.
Moggy
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By: Dr Strangelove - 30th March 2015 at 09:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
haunted slippers The truth is out there lads ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017476/I-m-haunted-dead-wife-year-died-Widower-says-told-wearing-slippers-sniffing-bed-grave.html
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By: Trolly Aux - 30th March 2015 at 10:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I nearly got ran over while bending over weeding the grass verge out the front of my house by a WWII vehicle, it really put the Willys up me !
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By: Creaking Door - 30th March 2015 at 13:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Excuse me.....who put their willy up you??!!?
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By: charliehunt - 30th March 2015 at 13:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Worse yet - the willies are in the plural!!:D He won't weed that verge again, for sure......
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By: 1batfastard - 1st April 2015 at 00:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi All,
Whether they are real or not you all have to admit that even if just a fraction of what is reported just like Alien/UFO craft are true that's still a fraction unaccounted for, I tend to be on the side of they are real, as an example have any of you who own pets in particular Cats and Dogs, have you ever noticed how they appear to track something in motion when there is nothing about not even those pesky midges :D ? or ever noticed how they will sit and stair at a certain spot as if they are being spoken to sometimes even with ears raised ? I am certain that animals have the ability to see them better than us I am convinced the more I see Penny our last surviving Dog do it but the thing is all three Cats did it (RIP) and Pierce our other dog (RIP) did exactly the same.
Geoff.