By: trekbuster
- 8th May 2015 at 20:08Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just seen Toby Young on C4 news. What an appalling example of a human being he really is. I had read a lot of his bile in the Telegraph, but never seen him on TV before. God help us all if he is the modern face of the Right wing activist
By: j_jza80
- 8th May 2015 at 20:16Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's the Scots and the referendum issues that get me, if you hold a referendum and lose accept it, what annoys me are the calks for further referendums until you get one that agrees with your point of view.... They've had their chance and said no, so that should be.
By: John Green
- 8th May 2015 at 21:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just seen Toby Young on C4 news. What an appalling example of a human being he really is. I had read a lot of his bile in the Telegraph, but never seen him on TV before. God help us all if he is the modern face of the Right wing activist
Trekkie,
Rest easy. "the modern face..." That title belongs to me but, I'm better looking. Would you like a photo ?
By: silver fox
- 9th May 2015 at 20:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This must be a wet dream for Cameron, Labour has lost Scotland, today Alex Salmond blustering on TV how this was a major step towards full independence, without Scotland can Labour recover? or are we doomed to life under the Tories for the foreseeable future, in the North of England at least that is not a happy prospect.
By: bazv
- 9th May 2015 at 21:17Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Labour only have themselves to blame SF - they managed to lose in spite of blatant left wing bias on the BBC - they were really pushing milliband and sturgeon on there - Labour need to select a credible leader with some personality/charisma and even then it will take a while for people to forget the financial sabotage/uncontrolled immigration of the Broon/Mandy years !
By: charliehunt
- 9th May 2015 at 21:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Salmond's bluster is meaningless. All that matters is whether or not a second independence refendum is called and whether or not the Scots vote for it. If they do not then it is up to the other parties to try to reestablish a presence north of the border.
The long delayed boundary changes are sure to be implemented which are likely to increase the Conservative seat count in 2020.
By: John Green
- 9th May 2015 at 21:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Labour only have themselves to blame SF - they managed to lose in spite of blatant left wing bias on the BBC - they were really pushing milliband and sturgeon on there - Labour need to select a credible leader with some personality/charisma and even then it will take a while for people to forget the financial sabotage/uncontrolled immigration of the Broon/Mandy years !
rgds baz
And that, is pretty much the complete truth of it !
By: Bob
- 9th May 2015 at 22:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Those who voted for independence (1.6 million) more than likely voted for SNP - the numbers are about the same.
~2.5 million didn't vote for the SNP (~4.08 million registered voters in Scotland) and SNP got 1,454,436 votes.
Let's hope "the 33%" respect that the 66% didn't want SNP in power...
By: trekbuster
- 10th May 2015 at 00:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
they managed to lose in spite of blatant left wing bias on the BBC
If there was any bias it was to follow the right wing press and their agenda on each day. The press bleated about bias only because they have an agenda of their own regarding the BBC. Their strategy has always been that if you say something often enough it must be true, mustn't it?
Robert Peston delivered a lecture on this very subject in 2014.
Although the Daily Fail deputy editor called this garbage, ( surprised? No, nor was I) there is evidence this did happen over the past few weeks. For example the prominence given to the telegraph letter from business leaders on the BBC output all day, even though very quickly it was shown to have been orchestrated by the tory party hq.
So if some think the BBC is biased to the right because they are left leaning, and others claim it biased to the left because they are right leaning, as has often been said the truth probably lies in between. If the BBC is p*ssing every one off, it is probably doing its job properly.
By: bazv
- 10th May 2015 at 06:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I watched the BBC (it is on in our crewroom - so captive audience yawn) - it was blatant Left bias ; ),I do not need anybody from a newspaper to decipher what I actually watch LOL
I never read snoozepapers so cannot comment on them !
Quel surprise that a Radio Times article says no bias at the Beeb - and Alistair Campbell - come on - give us somebody credible LOL
By: Edgar Brooks
- 10th May 2015 at 09:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There were three items, which have come out of this election, which gave me great satisfaction. No more will we have to see that wagging finger from the leader of the Opposition (how Cameron resisted the temptation to reach forward and snap it off, I'll never know.) For five years (at least) I won't have to look at the smug smirk on "Balls-up's" face, as he tried to airily dismiss his failings. It was with deep satisfaction that I witnessed Salmond's comments (about him telling Labour how to run the country) coming back to bite him, with Cameron pointedly talking to Sturgeon, and not him.
I now await 20p being slapped onto the price of petrol, and the latest "revelations" about diesel getting 50p added, and the promise of no income tax increase being got round by the usual ploy of not raising tax thresholds.
By: AlanR
- 10th May 2015 at 10:54Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Those who voted for independence (1.6 million) more than likely voted for SNP - the numbers are about the same.
~2.5 million didn't vote for the SNP (~4.08 million registered voters in Scotland) and SNP got 1,454,436 votes.
Let's hope "the 33%" respect that the 66% didn't want SNP in power...
Comments made by many of those who voted SNP, indicate that not all of them want independence.
I also wouldn't mind betting that "Dave" was also aware that if certain facts about the goings on in Westminster
during the 70-s and 80's had hit the fan before the election. The Labour party may have well had a landslide victory.
By: trekbuster
- 10th May 2015 at 12:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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I watched the BBC (it is on in our crewroom - so captive audience yawn) - it was blatant Left bias ; ),I do not need anybody from a newspaper to decipher what I actually watch LOL
I never read snoozepapers so cannot comment on them !
Quel surprise that a Radio Times article says no bias at the Beeb - and Alistair Campbell - come on - give us somebody credible LOL
rgds baz
I would argue that it is you who are biased because of your own political stance ( as of course am I) and because the programmes are not exactly following your perspective you believe they must be biased.
With respect that is your opinion not the truth.
I would argue that , coming from a different perspective they are probably biased towards the establishment, again an opinion.
To say Alistair Campbell is not credible just because he left leaning is short sighted, it could be argued that his opinion is at least as valid as yours
By: j_jza80
- 10th May 2015 at 16:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Comments made by many of those who voted SNP, indicate that not all of them want independence.
I also wouldn't mind betting that "Dave" was also aware that if certain facts about the goings on in Westminster
during the 70-s and 80's had hit the fan before the election. The Labour party may have well had a landslide victory.
Equally, if Chilcot had been published before the election, the Tories would have had a landslide.
It beggars belief that once again Nu Labour is raiding its ugly head. The legacy of a very dark period in the hitory of the party, and the UK as a whole.
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By: trekbuster - 8th May 2015 at 20:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just seen Toby Young on C4 news. What an appalling example of a human being he really is. I had read a lot of his bile in the Telegraph, but never seen him on TV before. God help us all if he is the modern face of the Right wing activist
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By: j_jza80 - 8th May 2015 at 20:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Which is what the EU did with Ireland. Sickening.
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By: John Green - 8th May 2015 at 21:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Trekkie,
Rest easy. "the modern face..." That title belongs to me but, I'm better looking. Would you like a photo ?
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By: John Green - 8th May 2015 at 21:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Charlie,
You're too kind. More like, 'never take no for an answer' bunch of tossers in Brussels.
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By: trekbuster - 8th May 2015 at 21:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Greenie, Many people in this world would be more attractive than Him, I have no doubt that includes you
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By: John Green - 9th May 2015 at 09:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You're too kind.
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By: silver fox - 9th May 2015 at 20:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This must be a wet dream for Cameron, Labour has lost Scotland, today Alex Salmond blustering on TV how this was a major step towards full independence, without Scotland can Labour recover? or are we doomed to life under the Tories for the foreseeable future, in the North of England at least that is not a happy prospect.
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By: bazv - 9th May 2015 at 21:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Labour only have themselves to blame SF - they managed to lose in spite of blatant left wing bias on the BBC - they were really pushing milliband and sturgeon on there - Labour need to select a credible leader with some personality/charisma and even then it will take a while for people to forget the financial sabotage/uncontrolled immigration of the Broon/Mandy years !
rgds baz
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By: charliehunt - 9th May 2015 at 21:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Salmond's bluster is meaningless. All that matters is whether or not a second independence refendum is called and whether or not the Scots vote for it. If they do not then it is up to the other parties to try to reestablish a presence north of the border.
The long delayed boundary changes are sure to be implemented which are likely to increase the Conservative seat count in 2020.
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By: John Green - 9th May 2015 at 21:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And that, is pretty much the complete truth of it !
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By: Bob - 9th May 2015 at 22:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Those who voted for independence (1.6 million) more than likely voted for SNP - the numbers are about the same.
~2.5 million didn't vote for the SNP (~4.08 million registered voters in Scotland) and SNP got 1,454,436 votes.
Let's hope "the 33%" respect that the 66% didn't want SNP in power...
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By: silver fox - 9th May 2015 at 22:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If only the no shows would get out and vote not only in Scotland, but across the UK
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By: trekbuster - 10th May 2015 at 00:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If there was any bias it was to follow the right wing press and their agenda on each day. The press bleated about bias only because they have an agenda of their own regarding the BBC. Their strategy has always been that if you say something often enough it must be true, mustn't it?
Robert Peston delivered a lecture on this very subject in 2014.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-06-24/robert-peston-theres-no-left-wing-bias-at-the-bbc
Although the Daily Fail deputy editor called this garbage, ( surprised? No, nor was I) there is evidence this did happen over the past few weeks. For example the prominence given to the telegraph letter from business leaders on the BBC output all day, even though very quickly it was shown to have been orchestrated by the tory party hq.
And before you dismiss this link as 'oh he would say that', please take the time to read it
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/07/alastair-campbell-newspaper-election-ed-miliband-leveson
So if some think the BBC is biased to the right because they are left leaning, and others claim it biased to the left because they are right leaning, as has often been said the truth probably lies in between. If the BBC is p*ssing every one off, it is probably doing its job properly.
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By: bazv - 10th May 2015 at 06:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I watched the BBC (it is on in our crewroom - so captive audience yawn) - it was blatant Left bias ; ),I do not need anybody from a newspaper to decipher what I actually watch LOL
I never read snoozepapers so cannot comment on them !
Quel surprise that a Radio Times article says no bias at the Beeb - and Alistair Campbell - come on - give us somebody credible LOL
rgds baz
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By: Edgar Brooks - 10th May 2015 at 09:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There were three items, which have come out of this election, which gave me great satisfaction. No more will we have to see that wagging finger from the leader of the Opposition (how Cameron resisted the temptation to reach forward and snap it off, I'll never know.) For five years (at least) I won't have to look at the smug smirk on "Balls-up's" face, as he tried to airily dismiss his failings. It was with deep satisfaction that I witnessed Salmond's comments (about him telling Labour how to run the country) coming back to bite him, with Cameron pointedly talking to Sturgeon, and not him.
I now await 20p being slapped onto the price of petrol, and the latest "revelations" about diesel getting 50p added, and the promise of no income tax increase being got round by the usual ploy of not raising tax thresholds.
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By: AlanR - 10th May 2015 at 10:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Comments made by many of those who voted SNP, indicate that not all of them want independence.
I also wouldn't mind betting that "Dave" was also aware that if certain facts about the goings on in Westminster
during the 70-s and 80's had hit the fan before the election. The Labour party may have well had a landslide victory.
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By: charliehunt - 10th May 2015 at 11:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Agree with the first point particularly as more than the numbers who elected the MPs voted against independence.
The second point is back to idle speculation - again!
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By: trekbuster - 10th May 2015 at 12:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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I would argue that it is you who are biased because of your own political stance ( as of course am I) and because the programmes are not exactly following your perspective you believe they must be biased.
With respect that is your opinion not the truth.
I would argue that , coming from a different perspective they are probably biased towards the establishment, again an opinion.
The radio times is not a BBC publication, it has not been since 2011.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026681/Radio-Times-sold-BBC-121m-deal.html
If you want an alternative source, try this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/06/robert-peston-says-bbc-leftwing-bias-********_n_5458619.html
To say Alistair Campbell is not credible just because he left leaning is short sighted, it could be argued that his opinion is at least as valid as yours
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By: Creaking Door - 10th May 2015 at 16:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Are you suggesting the 'no shows' were mainly Labour voters then?
(Or Liberal-Democrat, or UKIP?)
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By: j_jza80 - 10th May 2015 at 16:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Equally, if Chilcot had been published before the election, the Tories would have had a landslide.
It beggars belief that once again Nu Labour is raiding its ugly head. The legacy of a very dark period in the hitory of the party, and the UK as a whole.