By: TonyT
- 6th August 2015 at 20:59Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Damn. I thought it was an original idea.
Though to be fair, a workhouse manufactured pointless tasks for the occupants to fill their days. My suggestion is their days are filled with looking for gainful employment from a stable and secure base.
Moggy
Why not get them to manufacture something useful, like electrified 10 Meter high fence sections for use at Calais.
By: Lincoln 7
- 6th August 2015 at 21:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I recon, that this new high wall is going to be a complete and utter waste of money, inasmuch as the migrants will just dig tunnels under the fencing, and be through the holes like rabbits.
DAMN, I bet they hadn't thought of that till now ............:D
By: BeeJay
- 9th August 2015 at 23:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I have enjoyed reading the comments which appears to have been kept quite civil. I'd like to increase the description of those politely asked to leave to include those found guilty of long term taking advantage of their positions, IE child offenders, excessive expenses claimants, and people who vote for immoral laws. That'l do for now its getting late.
By: Bruce
- 10th August 2015 at 11:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is starting to remind me of a rather good quote from Douglas Adams.
The Captain thought for a moment.
"Yes, about half I'd say. Anyway - where's the soap?" He fished around and found it.
"Yes, so anyway," he resumed, "the idea was that into the first ship, the 'A' ship, would go all the brilliant leaders, the scientists, the great artists, you know, all the achievers; and into the third, or 'C' ship, would go all the people who did the actual work, who made things and did things, and then into the `B' ship - that's us - would go everyone else, the middlemen you see."
He smiled happily at them.
"And we were sent off first," he concluded, and hummed a little bathing tune.
The little bathing tune, which had been composed for him by one of his world's most exciting and prolific jingle writer (who was currently asleep in hold thirty-six some nine hundred yards behind them) covered what would otherwise have been an awkward moment of silence. Ford and Arthur shuffled their feet and furiously avoided each other's eyes.
"Er ..." said Arthur after a moment, "what exactly was it that was wrong with your planet then?"
"Oh, it was doomed, as I said," said the Captain, "Apparently it was going to crash into the sun or something. Or maybe it was that the moon was going to crash into us. Something of the kind. Absolutely terrifying prospect whatever it was."
Much of what Adams wrote was way ahead of its time - in less enlightened times, he would probably have been stoned..
By: John Green
- 10th August 2015 at 15:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Now we have it ! The final proof that the Government in the form of Phillip Hammond, Foreign Secretary, reads this Forum and is prepared to act upon the sage advice and wisdom contained therein.
It is reported in the D. Tel (report, 10th inst) that Mr. Hammond is suggesting that to stop the migrants 'in their tracks' it will be necessary to send back to their country of origin, those already here.
There we are ! All the 'rednecks' including me are vindicated.
By: trekbuster
- 10th August 2015 at 17:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Now we have it ! The final proof that the Government in the form of Phillip Hammond, Foreign Secretary, reads this Forum and is prepared to act upon the sage advice and wisdom contained therein.
It is reported in the D. Tel (report, 10th inst) that Mr. Hammond is suggesting that to stop the migrants 'in their tracks' it will be necessary to send back to their country of origin, those already here.
There we are ! All the 'rednecks' including me are vindicated.
He actually said that "those not entitled to claim assylum" should be returned. Not all migrants. Subtle but important difference.
And had you considered that Mr. Hammond, the Del. Tel and you might all be wrong?
By: John Green
- 10th August 2015 at 20:03Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes. I know you'll agree with me that this move has all the right ingredients and is firmly a step in the right direction. My interpretation is that Hammond intends to deal primarily with the economic migrants who judged by numerous television interviews, form the bulk
By: Bruce
- 10th August 2015 at 21:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Bruce,
Have you been sniffing some exotic substance ?
"would probably have been stoned"
Is that 'stoned' as in 'stoned' or, just stoned ?
Hardly John,
Try reading it carefully, and then try and understand what the writer was saying.
We have moved from a position of 'We don't want these people to come here', to one of 'Not only do we not want them, we don't want the following undesirables either..'
Now, Adams uses a very similar idea in the above quote - getting rid of the dregs of society, by simply shipping them off to colonise another planet, whilst keeping all the really useful people at home.
By: trekbuster
- 10th August 2015 at 22:50Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And in the Hitchhiker's guide, after all the 'dregs' left on the B shipbefore the A and C ships of course and in particular the telephone sanitisers, the thinkers and really useful people were killed off on their planetby a virulent disease hatched on unsanitised phones. Don't assume you know who are the most important in society;)
By: trekbuster
- 10th August 2015 at 23:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes. I know you'll agree with me that this move has all the right ingredients and is firmly a step in the right direction. My interpretation is that Hammond intends to deal primarily with the economic migrants who judged by numerous television interviews, form the bulk
Unfortunately for Mr. Hammond and Mrs.May, the facts do not appear to bear out their interpretation of the 'Crisis'
An interesting alternative viewpoint is here- please don't just dismiss because of the source, I recommend that you read and make your own mind up. You may disagree with the "spin" but at least it might show that not everything that has been in the more hysterical side of the media has been properly considered.
By: charliehunt
- 11th August 2015 at 14:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well here is one way of dealing with the problem.
"News 11.8.2015 7:00 | updated 11.8.2015 10:00
Finnish state now pays asylum seekers to return home
Under a new law asylum seekers whose claim has been rejected are able to apply for money if they voluntarily return to their home country. The amount of funding is dependent on the development status of their country of origin.
Mies työskentelee ruokalassa Punavuoren vastaanottokeskuksessa Helsingissä.
Punavuori reception centre. Image: Antti Aimo-Koivisto / Lehtikuva
According to the Finnish Immigration Service, a person who has been refused asylum or who has withdrawn their application for asylum can apply for a grant to ease repatriation to their country of origin.
Grants can be awarded in cash, commodities or a mixture of both. Part of the money given for voluntary return is paid just before departure with the remainder paid when a person has returned to his or her country of origin. The new legal decree came into force in July.
The size of the hand-out varies depending on the "development level" of the state to which people return and can vary from hundreds to a thousand euros. For example, individuals from so-called A-group nations such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia receive repatriation assistance of around 1,000 euros.
Grants may increase if the applicant has been, for example, a victim of human trafficking, according to the Finnish Immigration Service.
In addition to the money, the state also reimburses the cost of plane tickets, travel documents and other expenses. Currently, voluntary repatriation is organised by the International Organisation for Migration (IOM), but it plans to put the service out for tender before the end of the year."
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By: John Green - 6th August 2015 at 17:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
"politely removed from the island"
I'm afraid old chap that you've rather outstayed your welcome. Would you mind awfully leaving on the next shuttle from Heathrow ?
That should work like a charm.
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By: TonyT - 6th August 2015 at 20:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why not get them to manufacture something useful, like electrified 10 Meter high fence sections for use at Calais.
Edited to include the word electrified ;)
.
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By: Lincoln 7 - 6th August 2015 at 21:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I recon, that this new high wall is going to be a complete and utter waste of money, inasmuch as the migrants will just dig tunnels under the fencing, and be through the holes like rabbits.
DAMN, I bet they hadn't thought of that till now ............:D
Jim.
Lincoln .7
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By: Moggy C - 6th August 2015 at 22:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
As I say, not a workhouse, but a base for them to head out into the real world and get proper jobs.
Moggy
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By: BeeJay - 9th August 2015 at 23:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I have enjoyed reading the comments which appears to have been kept quite civil. I'd like to increase the description of those politely asked to leave to include those found guilty of long term taking advantage of their positions, IE child offenders, excessive expenses claimants, and people who vote for immoral laws. That'l do for now its getting late.
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By: Bruce - 10th August 2015 at 11:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is starting to remind me of a rather good quote from Douglas Adams.
Much of what Adams wrote was way ahead of its time - in less enlightened times, he would probably have been stoned..
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By: John Green - 10th August 2015 at 11:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Bruce,
Have you been sniffing some exotic substance ?
"would probably have been stoned"
Is that 'stoned' as in 'stoned' or, just stoned ?
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By: John Green - 10th August 2015 at 15:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Now we have it ! The final proof that the Government in the form of Phillip Hammond, Foreign Secretary, reads this Forum and is prepared to act upon the sage advice and wisdom contained therein.
It is reported in the D. Tel (report, 10th inst) that Mr. Hammond is suggesting that to stop the migrants 'in their tracks' it will be necessary to send back to their country of origin, those already here.
There we are ! All the 'rednecks' including me are vindicated.
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By: trekbuster - 10th August 2015 at 17:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
He actually said that "those not entitled to claim assylum" should be returned. Not all migrants. Subtle but important difference.
And had you considered that Mr. Hammond, the Del. Tel and you might all be wrong?
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By: John Green - 10th August 2015 at 20:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes. I know you'll agree with me that this move has all the right ingredients and is firmly a step in the right direction. My interpretation is that Hammond intends to deal primarily with the economic migrants who judged by numerous television interviews, form the bulk
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By: Bruce - 10th August 2015 at 21:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hardly John,
Try reading it carefully, and then try and understand what the writer was saying.
We have moved from a position of 'We don't want these people to come here', to one of 'Not only do we not want them, we don't want the following undesirables either..'
Now, Adams uses a very similar idea in the above quote - getting rid of the dregs of society, by simply shipping them off to colonise another planet, whilst keeping all the really useful people at home.
See, not so hard really..
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By: John Green - 10th August 2015 at 22:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
C'mon Bruce !
My comment was intended as a joke - you know, lighthearted ?
The point and the meaning of your comment did go over my head. But, as you hint, that is my failing not yours.
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By: trekbuster - 10th August 2015 at 22:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And in the Hitchhiker's guide, after all the 'dregs' left on the B shipbefore the A and C ships of course and in particular the telephone sanitisers, the thinkers and really useful people were killed off on their planetby a virulent disease hatched on unsanitised phones. Don't assume you know who are the most important in society;)
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By: trekbuster - 10th August 2015 at 23:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Unfortunately for Mr. Hammond and Mrs.May, the facts do not appear to bear out their interpretation of the 'Crisis'
An interesting alternative viewpoint is here- please don't just dismiss because of the source, I recommend that you read and make your own mind up. You may disagree with the "spin" but at least it might show that not everything that has been in the more hysterical side of the media has been properly considered.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis
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By: paul178 - 11th August 2015 at 06:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You are all missing the point the answer to it is 42 am I right Bruce?:D
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By: charliehunt - 11th August 2015 at 07:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Damn - beat me to it!!;)
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By: Bruce - 11th August 2015 at 10:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, its 40 odd years since Hitchhiker was written, and the stories of the day are the same.
Does anything really change? Even the Labour party are becoming socialists again..
The Guardian article is excellent, and well worth a read. Some figures at last. Anyone have any different ones?
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By: charliehunt - 11th August 2015 at 14:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well here is one way of dealing with the problem.
"News 11.8.2015 7:00 | updated 11.8.2015 10:00
Finnish state now pays asylum seekers to return home
Under a new law asylum seekers whose claim has been rejected are able to apply for money if they voluntarily return to their home country. The amount of funding is dependent on the development status of their country of origin.
Mies työskentelee ruokalassa Punavuoren vastaanottokeskuksessa Helsingissä.
Punavuori reception centre. Image: Antti Aimo-Koivisto / Lehtikuva
According to the Finnish Immigration Service, a person who has been refused asylum or who has withdrawn their application for asylum can apply for a grant to ease repatriation to their country of origin.
Grants can be awarded in cash, commodities or a mixture of both. Part of the money given for voluntary return is paid just before departure with the remainder paid when a person has returned to his or her country of origin. The new legal decree came into force in July.
The size of the hand-out varies depending on the "development level" of the state to which people return and can vary from hundreds to a thousand euros. For example, individuals from so-called A-group nations such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia receive repatriation assistance of around 1,000 euros.
Grants may increase if the applicant has been, for example, a victim of human trafficking, according to the Finnish Immigration Service.
In addition to the money, the state also reimburses the cost of plane tickets, travel documents and other expenses. Currently, voluntary repatriation is organised by the International Organisation for Migration (IOM), but it plans to put the service out for tender before the end of the year."
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By: John Green - 11th August 2015 at 17:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
"out for tender before the end of the year"
Perhaps someone from the so-called A-group nations will apply to run the service. Wouldn't that be fun !
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By: Bruce - 11th August 2015 at 19:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think what we should really be considering, is what the government are up to whilst we are all diverted by a non story.
If the Guardian figures are right, this is so far away from being a crisis, and we are collectively being played for fools.