Macedonia, finally someone in Europe with b*lls

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i don't know what you think, but I totally agree with them, all the bleating from the press about women and children etc in the crowd, well they are there illegally so tough t*tty.. It's about time these butt lickers in this Country have the balls to do the same.. ..
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i don't know what you think, but I totally agree with them, all the bleating from the press about women and children etc in the crowd, well they are there illegally so tough t*tty.. It's about time these butt lickers in this Country have the balls to do the same.. ..
Think you're more than a little harsh there, most of those people appear to be refugees who have fled the fighting in Syria and yes there are families in there, unlike the gangs at Calais who appear to be mostly male and frankly many are purely economic migrants, clearly like most I don't know all the facts, but certainly many of the people fleeing the fighting had no wish to do so, they really had to get out in order to stay alive, there is a difference.

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i don't know what you think.. ..
I think your position is simplistic and thoughtless. Well, you did ask...... I agree with silver fox on this one

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And they were safe in Greece, sorry but unless another country in the EU has offered them a home, Greece is the country they need to claim asylum. Though I do feel for Greece, but it should be done by EU countries that have signed up for taking refugees to do that, not simply the refugees taking it upon themselves to "invade" a neighbouring country. Personally the majority of immigrants, specifically those from the African countries should be picked up and landed back on the beaches they left from, until you do that they will keep on coming.

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Nope, still not convinced, sorry..... Should explain, I think the simplistic part is your lack of distinction between genuine refugees and economic migrants. Many people from african counties qualify for refugee status under EU and UN conventions so to return All of them would be impossible
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This belongs in the Calais Migrants thread since it's already heading in that direction.........

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Tony, As usual, your commonsense is to the fore. When, on rare occasions, these 'refugee migrants' are asked what kind of persecution they are fleeing, they give, according to the reports I've listened to, an account that is completely false. When subsequently, their story is checked back in their country of origin, there is a complete absence of any kind of evidence of persecution from any quarter. Over time, I've yet to hear of any clearly authenticated and supported stories of maltreatment. The entrenched suspicion is that they are all really economic migrants who are pleading 'persecution' status to avoid re-patriation.

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My memory must be playing tricks; weren't you advocating bombing ISIL into oblivion only a few weeks ago... ...apparently ISIL haven't harmed a fly now so presumably we can ignore your calls for military action?
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Hi All, What nobody has mentioned is the fact that they all destroy their identity papers from whatever country they are from so they cannot be deported back to, surely somebody should change the rules that if you want asylum or whatever you must keep your identity papers in tact other wise you'll be shipped back to the country each is claiming they are running from.....:confused: Geoff.

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Or in the case of the UK settled at a place within the UK territories we deem fit... ie South Georgia, no one will persecute them there. Look at the nutter in Paris and the shooting, sorry, but without controls on population migration like this, you simply cannot control who is crossing your borders, be they legitimate refugees or the likes of ISIL suicide bombers / terrorist gunmen etc. I just hope those with the moral stance (or their families) do not finish up at the end of a knife wielding madman who has slipped in through the borders as an illegal due to that moral stance.

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Some strange ideas on here, yes, attempted illegals trying to enter this country are prone to losing their ID papers, but most of the immigrants/refugees who have entered through Greece, have registered in Greece requiring ID, are now theoretically free to move across most of Europe under the Schengen agreement, (which we are not party to), there appears to be a lot of confusion between economic migrants who believe that setting foot in the UK is the answer to their problems and those who have been driven from their homes, jobs, business' and possessions, heard one chap being interviewed the other night, he owned a haulage company, had a very nice home and lifestyle, had with him his wife, three children, all ID docs and pics of his home and business, a small sum of money, but no-where to go, what do you want this guy to do?, go home which is now in the hands of ISIS? take his chance with any of the other fighting groups?. This guy was just one voice among thousands, but how many similar stories are there. Most certainly we need to check and know just who we admit, we won't do that by attempting to lock the door, we can only do that by getting involved and helping where and when we can, very difficult for us when our present government has cut Border Control staff numbers, the very people who are are the front line in stopping undesirables, remember many of those who manage illegal entry do not claim asylum, they simply vanish into the black labour market, much, much worse than taking in immigrant/refugees through the front door.
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S.F. Just HOW do we "Check, and know just who we admit"?. Just think of all the migrants we have living here in the U.K. and who are able to collect childrens allowances, even when their children are living still in their parents Country of origin. I wonder just how many of our Benefits people have actually gone to Poland, Ukrainia, Lithuania to check their claims out?. My assumption would be a great fat ZERO, but Hey, Ho, we have so much money we just have to give it away to all and sundry.Just ask, and ye shall receive. Jim. Lincoln .7

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S.F. Just HOW do we "Check, and know just who we admit"?. Just think of all the migrants we have living here in the U.K. and who are able to collect childrens allowances, even when their children are living still in their parents Country of origin. I wonder just how many of our Benefits people have actually gone to Poland, Ukrainia, Lithuania to check their claims out?. My assumption would be a great fat ZERO, but Hey, Ho, we have so much money we just have to give it away to all and sundry.Just ask, and ye shall receive. Jim. Lincoln .7
By far the majority of those collecting benefits for children and others not living in this country are low paid EU migrant workers, why can they or do they do this, because our own government's utter stupidity, check around other EU countries, it's only us who are too damn soft on this. You will find that many EU countries are actually more generous when it comes to benefits than we are, but in most cases after a qualifying period of living and working in that particular country, saw an interview with a Brit who had moved with his family, to Germany to work, lost his job after 2+ years, when asked why he didn't return to the UK, his response was that he was better off where he was, plus felt he had a much better chance of finding work, also added that anyone with ideas of moving to Germany and just signing on for benefits to forget it, as it doesn't work like that, it isn't always as the press would have us believe. Our checks on who enters this country are hopeless, did you know out of all foreign criminals convicted in this country, in the region of 80-90% already have criminal convictions in their home country, but we let them in, then thanks to our ambulance chasing lawyers we can't even send them home.
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Tony T, 100% behind you on this. Kos is another example. So called immigrants pass into Turkey (safe haven!) then expect the Greek government in Kos to welcome them and allow direct passage to the UK. This is not how the international law stands but I can understand the migrants wishes. As usual; beware what you wish for!
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Tony T, 100% behind you on this. Kos is another example. So called immigrants pass into Turkey (safe haven!) then expect the Greek government in Kos to welcome them and allow direct passage to the UK. This is not how the international law stands but I can understand the migrants wishes. As usual; beware what you wish for!

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Tony T, 100% behind you on this. Kos is another example. So called immigrants pass into Turkey (safe haven!) then expect the Greek government in Kos to welcome them and allow direct passage to the UK. This is not how the international law stands but I can understand the migrants wishes. As usual; beware what you wish for!
It appears you are suggesting that ALL of those landing on Kos wish to end up in UK is to fly in the face of statistics and reason. As has been shown by the mass exodus across Macedonia ( by the way Tony,the Macedonians seem to have lost their appendages don't they) they are heading for Germany or Sweden.
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Quite so - Germany is now estimating 800,000 asylum seekers this year. Our problems rather pale into insignificance beside those.....

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Think you're more than a little harsh there, most of those people appear to be refugees who have fled the fighting in Syria and yes there are families in there, unlike the gangs at Calais who appear to be mostly male and frankly many are purely economic migrants, clearly like most I don't know all the facts, but certainly many of the people fleeing the fighting had no wish to do so, they really had to get out in order to stay alive, there is a difference.
They are not fleeing squat, the fleeing from fighting part was over the borders and into Greece, after that they are not fleeing from anyone, they have made it to safety, now if other Countries in the EU decide to let them in then fairplay to them.
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Quite so - Germany is now estimating 800,000 asylum seekers this year. Our problems rather pale into insignificance beside those.....
The difference is, the Germans have room for them. Our population density is already far too high, and that isn't allowing for future population growth.
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now if other Countries in the EU decide to let them in then fairplay to them.
Not quite. Once they become German citizens, they are free to come and live here. I'm sure that fact is not lost on them.
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The difference is, the Germans have room for them. Our population density is already far too high, and that isn't allowing for future population growth.
Ah, tell that to the Germans!! Your second point is a fallacy.