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Agent K - sadly, owing to the behaviour of some of the other respondents in this thread, you are arguing with yourself.

To be clear - hate speech and anti semitic behaviour will lead to an instant ban. St.John is the latest example of this.

Bruce

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Hi All,
Agent K - Do you happen to know where I can view MEP's attendance records ? I have Googled but for the main just keep getting news articles no official site comes up in the search. What I did see how ever was an article claiming that all MEP's from the UK have a bad record for voting as an example, but admittedly this was an old article so would really apreciate to see an up to date figure please.

Bruce - What do you class as hate speech apart from the obvious please as I was banned from another forum for using the term snowflake, so not wishing to go the same way on here would please give some parameters ? .....:eagerness:

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Geoff,

I certainly wouldn't be banning anyone for use of the word 'Snowflake'

There is no issue with robust debate. Its when it crosses the line and becomes personal - so personal and/or derogatory comments relating to other people in the conversation. Also derogatory comments about race, colour, creed and so on. We should be able to have a civil conversation even when the disagreement is fundamental.

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“Won’t you join our Common Market?” said the spider to the fly,
“It really is a winner and the cost is not too high.
I know De Gaulle said ‘Non’, but he hadn’t got a clue,
We want you in, my friends and I, for we have plans for you.
You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now,
As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, ‘We need a new milch cow’,
It’s just a Continental term, believe me, mon ami,
Like ‘Vive la France’ or ‘Mad Anglais’ or even ‘E.E.C’.
As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few
You’ll find that we ignore them — but they all apply to you.
Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about.
You do all the giving, and we all share it out.
It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?
You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede,
So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side,
Your Continental cousins want to take you for a ride.”

If only we had listened!

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Hi All,
Bruce - That Iron Triangle is coming from a remainer so he is a bit biased in his assessment applying his projections, however in my mind he is correct IMPO I would sacrifice the schedule as the cost of divorcing from the EU is continually rising. I would rather have a good quality deal (If we are forced to have one) and to give as little to the EU as possible the scheduling would obviously be a sticking point but in the end we would get what was voted on just taking a little longer than was hoped for better than the mess we are in at the moment.

As for training the thousands more to replace thousands allegedly who will lose they're jobs, that's simple enough increase the wages and workplace treatment so to entice back those who left in their thousands in the first place. It's the main reason the money grabbing overseers got themselves in to the pickle in the first place farming out jobs instead of training the next generation etc.etc.etc.

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Geoff,

Yes, he voted to remain, as is quite clear from the article - but I'm glad you saw sense in his words. The trouble is that too many people already think 3 years is a long time - and are unlikely to want to wait even longer.

Regarding your latter point, increasing wages (not a bad thing in and of itself) leads to an increase in prices, which puts people back to exactly where they were. Important to remember that the producers will always take their margin and pass on increased costs. There are no easy solutions.

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I keep on hearing about stories like this all the time in Britain. Is the EU still imposing migrants to go to Britain. I heard Merkel is cutting down on numbers. If Britain is still on the remain side and brexit is ignored will their country by any chance cut down on migration like Merkel or no?

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The EU can not impose anything on Britain, yet another myth you’re perpetuating Panzerfeist1 (ironic you name yourself after German hardware to have a go at Germany et al). Also I think you’ll find these people in the newspaper cuttings come from outside the EU!!!!!:rolleyes:

and no British people ever carried out crime did they?!

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I'm constantly amazed at the conflation of free movement within the EU, with immigration from outside the EU, and with illegal immigrants.

Its not hard to get the facts right - but its not convenient either, when its feeding the monster.

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Just wondering...
is the UK still part of the EU?

If so, has Downing street been given a bill yet for their share of rebuilding Notre Dame?
:) ;)

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Yes it is, and please don't start that one!

They have raised more than 600m Euro so far, from industry.

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"

The EU can not impose anything on Britain, yet another myth you’re perpetuating Panzerfeist1"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/allies-poland-and-hungary-reject-eu-budget-cuts-and-migration-1.3495070

"

The EU is already suing Poland, Hungary and the

Czech Republic

over their refusal to accept refugees, and taking separate legal action against Poland and Hungary over reforms that allegedly undermine the rule of law."

Globalism is either way going to end up as a failure.

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Just wondering...
is the UK still part of the EU?

If so, has Downing street been given a bill yet for their share of rebuilding Notre Dame?
:) ;)

As per usual you make very little sense and show your lack of intellect. Why would this be a EU issue? Your comment aligns with the type of anti European hatred as usually stirred up by the Daily Mail.

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Hi All,
Amazing the amount of dosh pouring in for the rebuild of Notre Dame, yet here in the UK they are now floating the idea if you own your own home you have to pay a minimum of £30'000 towards you old age care irrespective if you have no savings at all, may be we can have a whist drive in aid of the NHS and the UK infrastructure that so desperately needs money. ? ? ?

In deed some peer is also floating the idea of a 1% increase to the N.I. contributions workers pay as to make up a short fall in the NHS. My question is who ever is in charge of the UK's coffers why are they still employed ? I mean the millions given to countries who do not need it let alone to those who do need help, surely we should get our own house in order before donating these millions ?

Or are all these suggestions just part of the fear mongering that is going on surrounding Brexit ? ?

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Why oh why yet again is somebody linking the rebuild of Notre Dame to the EU? there is no link and your words don't make sense? I'm not aware of once cent being given towards this from the EU. It seems that in France a lot of money has come in from business leaders and people proud to do something for their country (maybe the self serving farage, dyson. rees-mogg et al could take note and dip into their pockets to contribute to British causes?)

Absolutely money could be managed better, but also re foreign aid, don't believe all the stories you read, and also part of this is soft diplomacy that keeps countries on your side and supportive of you and also aids British businesses in getting contracts.

As for increasing taxes to pay for improved services, how about we get the corporations and people with offshore finance havens pay their taxes and you might see more in the coffers. Which of course is the EU 2019 tax directive just implemented that the aforementioned people are so scared of being exposed under hence their self serving brexit passion.........

The following gives an interesting and balanced perspective on things:

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/

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As the Lottery is obviously so successful why can't there be one with the benefits solely going to the NHS?

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As the Lottery is obviously so successful why can't there be one with the benefits solely going to the NHS?

Whilst an admirable intent I'd much prefer that a competent government fully funds the NHS without having to revert to a lottery, and also reorganises and restructures the NHS too.

Whilst the front line care side of things (Doctors and Nurses etc.) can't be faulted, the business practices and processes of management, administration, trusts, procurement, technology etc. is woeful.

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