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By: 29th April 2005 at 21:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-dont even bother to give the guy recognition by replying people.
By: 29th April 2005 at 22:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I was just wondering what his opinion is.
By: 29th April 2005 at 22:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-dont even bother to give the guy recognition by replying people.Indeed.
By: 29th April 2005 at 22:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I was going to delete it when it first appeared in Commerical Aviation, but I figured that you chaps in here might want a crack at it first..... :D:D:D
By: 29th April 2005 at 22:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/050307/e_airtransat_clarific_1.html
Press Release Source: TRANSAT A.T. INC.Flight TS 961 - Air Transat clarification
Monday March 7, 8:10 pm ETMONTREAL, March 7 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Transat wishes to point out that the decision to return to Varadero rather then land in Florida was made by the captain together with the Operational Control Center because the Company has access to maintenance staff at this airport. It is untrue that American authorities were opposed to allowing the plane to land on their territory.
About Air TransatAir Transat offers departures from Canada to some 90 destinations in 25 countries. With a fleet of 14 aircraft, the airline is Canada's leading vacation charter carrier. Air Transat is a member of Transat A.T. Inc., an integrated company specializing in the organization, marketing, and distribution of holiday travel.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/orgDisplay.cgi?okey=74255
For further information
Rachel Andrews, 1-866-476-2799
Source: Air Transat
By: 29th April 2005 at 23:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-hmmmmmm....arent all vox recordings taped at ATCC's??
By: 30th April 2005 at 00:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Laughable. He missed April 1st by almost a month.
But a cautionary tale.
Every time a little lie, half-truth or outright fabrication is retold, broadcast or printed there will be some...shall we say less than sophisticated...person ready to believe it.
By: 30th April 2005 at 00:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Might have known blackcat and his Airbus supremism would swallow this BS.
By: 30th April 2005 at 00:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I was going to delete it when it first appeared in Commerical Aviation, but I figured that you chaps in here might want a crack at it first..... :D:D:D
Alright dammit, after reading it again, I have finally stopped laughing enough to type :D
Note: these are quotes from the article that was posted, I am not directing any of this condesencion towards Blackcat, and neither should any of you. He has every right to speculate and post articles here, just like everyone else.
If shear stress loads werer exceeded and the Florida swamps had suddenly been splattered with thousands of primarily Canadian body parts, the critical Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) would have gone crashing into the swamp with those body parts - right in the middle of Florida Governor Jeb Bush's state jurisdiction. Call me cynical, but the CVR would have been officially lost forever, while Boeing executives rushed off a frantic international sales tour to try and save their already doomed corporation.
And there you have it. This is obviously an opinionated, political piece, and from this point forward, I'm going to treat it as such :diablo:
And remember, when 'flagship' Boeing finally goes down, the rest of the American aerospace industry will follow shortly afterwards.
Uh huh. Sure. I'm not going to predict the future health of Boeing, but to say the entire aerospace industry will crash in the US is, for lack of a better word, retarded. Will we be out of the airliner game for a while? Well, duh. But this idiot seems to think that a Boeing crash will result in Lockheed disappearing as well. Not a chance in hell. F/A-22s, F-16s, and F-35s will still roll on, for starters. Then there's the term "aerospace". The author is deliberately overstating things to make it sound like Boeing is doing untoward things to Airbus airliners, and he thinks that by overstating the severity of Boeing's possible crash will affect the entire aerospace industry. Sure, some effects will be felt, but the entire AEROSPACE industry? Get real. Satellites will still launch. The shuttle will still fly (eventually). And military products will still be sold and produced, since unfortunately Boeing does not monopolize 100% of the aerospace industry in the United States of America.
are you going to believe the folk at the FAA, who still claim that a bunch of failed Muslim Cessna pilots were suddenly converted by Allah into Top Guns, thereby enabling them to aaccurately throw huge clumsy Boeing airliners around the sky like lightweight FA-18 Hornet fighters.
That one is laughable. This guy is cleverly trying to detract from the fact that the pilots in question had not only attended Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, but had learned to fly the aircraft in question. It's not like they needed a lifetime of experience to fly a desired course; they weren't, after all, trying to take-off, drop suicide bombers from the passenger door, and then land somewhere. The fact that this guy is allegedly a pilot of over 8,000 hours is further indicative of his desire to twist and distort facts and knowingly ignore relevant information to write his story.
Ever since the Jewish State sent Pan Am 103 plunging into Lockerbie village during 1988 to 'set up' the Libyans for destructive economic sanctions
Does that even deserve comment? We can add anti-Semitism to the author's laundry list of negative characteristics.
If the high-tech European Aerospace industry could not be stopped, in less than fifty years it would completely wipe Boeing and all the other major American planemakers off the map. The visible icon of this European aerospace excellence was the sleek Concorde, flashing east and west across the Atlantic Ocean at Mach 2, while passengers sipped vintage champagne in absolute luxury. This affront to American aviation could not be allowed to continue, so during 1995-1996 Boeing and NASA plotted how to claw one of these sexy Mach 2 machines out of the air very publicly, thereby proving that European aircraft were 'unsafe'. This covert American operation was successfully concluded when Concorde 4590 smashed into Gonesse at exactly 14 h 44 min 31.6 s on July 25, 2000...this sophisticated and very expensive covert operration was a proxy job, because its primary aim was to undermine general passenger confidence in mass-producer European Airbus Industries - the main threat to Boeing and other American planemakers.
First, nobody is confusing the Concorde with an Airbus Industrie product. How crashing an aircraft built in the 1960's would affect consumer confidence in Airbus products is beyond me. And an affront to American aviation? Get real. It is an excellent design, a fantastic aircraft, but an economic failure in operation! US airlines made far more money sending 747s across the Atlantic, albeit at a slower price. And I'm not even going to bother to comment on his allegations of US involvement in the tragedy incolving the Concorde crash.
Do you remember those giant Boeing airliners slicing through the towers of the World Trade Center? Yes, of course you do, as does the rest of the world courtesy of American television. The problem for America is that the anchor men kept saying "Boeing" over and over again. It was the worst possible publicity Boeing could have. Time after time on a hundred TV channels, millions watched on in horror as BOEINGS, yes BOEINGS ripped through the towers, killing hundreds of women and children. If you want your wife and children to die, just send them for a flight on a BOEING! Even now in Australia, four years after the event, we regularly see that famous video clip of Flight 175 (a Boeing 767) tearing through the South Tower, spraying Jet A1 fuel as it rips through the glass framework. It chills the blood, and several people have told me they will never fly in a Boeing again. The entire 911 incident was very bad news for Boeing Corporation, which decided to fight back with a bit of counter-propaganda and fear. And so it was that less than three months later, American Airlines 587, an Airbus 300-600, entered a ballistic trajectory and impacted (almost impossibly) on a narow isthmus of land called Rockaway Beach. Blazing Jet A1, gory body parts, and bit of mangled fuselage were everywhere on very public display.
Saying you won't fly a Boeing because of 9/11 is a bit ridiculous if you ask me. Even more ridiculous is the claim that Boeing or the US industry or government would crash an Airbus aircraft after 9/11 to regain market shares.
And there you have it, folks. If you want an example of blatant propaganda, fabrication, and true anti-Americanism, there it is, in full view for the world to see. About all I can really say in conclusion is that I hope this guy seriously reconsiders his outlook on life. Neither Boeing nor Airbus are about to go around crashing each other's aircraft. If it was as easy to uncover as this guy thinks it was, then US involvement in Iraq or issues with Venezuela would hardly be in the news.
Maybe I'll ad some more thoughts later, but this is about as far as I'm going to take it for now.
By: 30th April 2005 at 01:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-SOC is absolutley right; that "article" is absolute trash.
One question though- is it true that the flight initially mentioned was denied landing clearance at Ft. Laud? And if so- do we know why?
By: 30th April 2005 at 01:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-SOC is absolutley right; that "article" is absolute trash.
We're agreeing? :eek: Does that explain the unusual cold front here in Kansas today? ;)
One question though- is it true that the flight initially mentioned was denied landing clearance at Ft. Laud? And if so- do we know why?
Apart from the press release I posted above, I have heard a different explanation:
The captain failed to ask for an emergency landing, misleading the ATC controllers at Ft. Lauderdale. Since there were no customs agents available at Lauderdale, the ATC guys suggested Miami. After conferring with the higher ups, the flight crew of the Airbus decided to return to Cuba.
If that was the case, it is easy to understand where the idea of "we denied them langing clearance" came from, since we did, after all, deny them the ability to land at the airfield they wanted initially. Hence the announcement to the passengers, and then later the statement from Air Transat.
By: 30th April 2005 at 03:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Well My turn,
Hey Blackcat can I ask just one question, do you work for Airbus if not they should put you on the pay roll I'm sure they need a Funny Guy like you. :eek:
You post was full of so much Anti-American Crap I don't know were to start, but I think SOC summed it up for us all. May I suggest that you get to a Doctors Office and have them subscribe some very heavy drugs for you. Oh wait thats a American Drug Company Conspiracy to have all the world undre are happy Drugs :D
RER
By: 30th April 2005 at 04:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-"certain Canadian officials are convinced the aircraft was sabotaged while in its Canadian hangars, using a remote delay device to start the massive fuel leak."
What a bunch of bulls**t! There are NO officials convinced of crap like this! I am convinced your mental however...
By: 30th April 2005 at 06:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Trust Bmused55 and carzyman to work a swipe at Airbus into this!
Fanboys..... don't you just love 'em? :rolleyes:
I'm glad you appreciated it, SOC. I just knew that you would.... :D:D:D
By: 30th April 2005 at 09:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-This thread will now be closed (As you could all notice, it is *quite* dubious as for its accuracy.). However, if you guys want to continue discussingon this, just PM me, and if enough people ask, i'll re open it.
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By: Blackcat - 29th April 2005 at 21:37
The author has more than 8,000 total flying hours, and is a retired member of the Society of Aircraft Engineers and Technologists
u guys can read abt it in here