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By: - 7th February 2010 at 19:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi all.It seems Steve Vizard and Gareth Jones are to visit Northern Ireland soon to try and excavate a 152 Squadron Spitfire which crashed near RAF Eglinton on 18 May 1942, piloted by Bill Creed. Does any one have anymore info on this? If it is excavated will it stay in a Northern Ireland museum or removed for the basis of a restoration depending on it's condition?
The serial number of the aircraft was BM557. I was also wondering what camouflage it would have had at the time and what it's individual aircraft letter was.
Thanks in advance.
http://www.derryjournal.com/journal/Spitfire-hunters-return-to-Derry.6027435.jp
Of course it won't stay in Northern Ireland, if they find substantial remains it will probably end up on the market for sale as an identity to put another new built Spitfire back in the air many of the recently found Spitfire wrecks have ended up this way, If you want it to stay in Northern Ireland you best get looking for it, there are some local groups over there that would I am sure be interested in it.
By: - 7th February 2010 at 21:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well in that case let's hope it ends up OVER Northern Ireland then ! If the wreck stays in Northern Ireland it should go to the Ulster Aviation Society.
By: - 7th February 2010 at 21:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
First post whinger.
"There are two kinds of people in this world -- talkers and doers. Talkers talk about what they wish they would do, and doers shut up and do it. But doers also do one other very important thing: they actively avoid spending time with talkers."
Mark ;)
By: - 7th February 2010 at 22:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
First post whinger."There are two kinds of people in this world -- talkers and doers. Talkers talk about what they wish they would do, and doers shut up and do it. But doers also do one other very important thing: they actively avoid spending time with talkers."
Mark ;)
Ah is that why we never see you then ?
By: - 7th February 2010 at 22:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Tangmere!
Yes this would also comply under the PMA 1986, where ownership is still regarded as crown property so one can be assured that its not for sale as they might have a vested interest if a recovery was undertaken
You all appear to be sumwhat off the mark anyhow as the site has yet to be located which recent alterations to the airport are likely to have covered the site if reports are to considered accurate. however i would like to point out that i am sure there are many spitfires closer and easier to recover that this one especilly as several attemps by locals have already failed to find the site some 20 years ago.
This project was started a few years ago with the help of the local historian as it was one of our Welsh 53 OTU pilots posted to 152 squadron hence my interest, however with added support of the family its become more of a challenge than a recovery to locate a piece of their family history. If it was to be recovered many permissions would need to be sort where a display was intended to be placed on at the City of derry airport in memory of the aircrew that were lost flying from the squadron.
Gareth
By: - 7th February 2010 at 22:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
As someone who is more into doing rather than talking, and having spent a great deal of my own time, money and years of research looking for aircraft, albeit underwater rather than burried in the ground, I've also had my share of armchair expert's opinions. There seems no shortage of people out there who have opinions about what should happen to an aircraft once it is recovered but very few who are actually willing to put the above said effort into finding it !! :rolleyes:
By: - 7th February 2010 at 22:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is getting a bit like the 'doers' talking about the 'talkers' - there are 'talker's and 'doers' and 'talkers' who talk about 'doers' and 'doers' who talk about 'doers' and 'talkers' who 'talk about 'talkers' -have I missed anyone out? Ah yeah the 'talkers' who are also 'doers' who talk about both!
By: - 8th February 2010 at 18:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some superb 'back chat, on the forum today....good to air these things.....I'm more a 'doer' than a 'talker' in these matters and must back the 'doer' people, 'cause they produce results for us to 'talk' about.
Where the aircraft is cannot possibly determine where it should stay, unless the 'stayers' get there first.
If all the lost, then found, aircraft had to stay in the 'find' area, Kent would have one in every garden.
Even better, if it is found, recovered and eventually reaches a point of restoration for flying, isn't that what we on here, are all about.
It sometimes takes a lot of time, money ,heartache, and persistance to locate a crashed aircraft. Even more money and time to get it restored and possibly flying.
Those opportunities are becoming less and less, so good luck to Steve and Gareth, and if they make some (dirty word coming up) PROFIT !!! from the exercise, then remember too, that whoever restores it, will also probably take a future profit out of it.
We should all take the profit of satisfaction, that maybe another Spitfire will be handed on to a future generation, hopefully as keen and interested as we all are
By: - 8th February 2010 at 18:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
First post whinger."There are two kinds of people in this world -- talkers and doers. Talkers talk about what they wish they would do, and doers shut up and do it. But doers also do one other very important thing: they actively avoid spending time with talkers."
Mark ;)
*cough* tighar *cough* :D
By: - 8th February 2010 at 18:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I like talking, it's a hell of a lot easier than doing; so while I'm talking, good luck to those who invest their time and money in doing.
Even if it was recovered and went to a museum in NI, who's to say that it would stay there, it's value will not diminish with age, and one $pitfire buys quite a lot of other planes, buildings etc etc.
By: - 8th February 2010 at 18:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I was just wondering whether there's a shop, a sort of Data Plates 'R Us, where you can go and buy a data plate, a couple of foot of twisted metal and half a dozen nuts and bolts that you can incorporate into your shiny new build Spitfire and call it original?
Regards,
kev35
By: - 8th February 2010 at 19:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They're making data plates out of chestnuts? :eek:
Regards,
kev35
By: - 8th February 2010 at 19:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'll get me tin hat !!!!
why is it Spitfire's are done to death on DPS - you should look a bit further afield with another new build 'kit supplied warbird !!!!!!!!!!
By: - 8th February 2010 at 19:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I was just wondering whether there's a shop, a sort of Data Plates 'R Us, where you can go and buy a data plate, a couple of foot of twisted metal and half a dozen nuts and bolts that you can incorporate into your shiny new build Spitfire and call it original?
Mark 12's shed?:diablo:
(it's Ok, Mark, I'm just stirring Kev up!)
Adrian
By: - 8th February 2010 at 19:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mark 12's shed?:diablo:
(it's Ok, Mark, I'm just stirring Kev up!)Adrian
It'll all be in the book. :)
Mark
By: - 8th February 2010 at 20:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The world's five most interesting sheds by Mark T Welve?
Regards,
kev35
By: - 8th February 2010 at 22:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The world's five most interesting sheds by Mark T Welve?Regards,
kev35
is the T short for Two Sheds?
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By: Onthecrowdline - 7th February 2010 at 10:14
Hi all.
It seems Steve Vizard and Gareth Jones are to visit Northern Ireland soon to try and excavate a 152 Squadron Spitfire which crashed near RAF Eglinton on 18 May 1942, piloted by Bill Creed. Does any one have anymore info on this? If it is excavated will it stay in a Northern Ireland museum or removed for the basis of a restoration depending on it's condition?
The serial number of the aircraft was BM557. I was also wondering what camouflage it would have had at the time and what it's individual aircraft letter was.
Thanks in advance.
http://www.derryjournal.com/journal/Spitfire-hunters-return-to-Derry.6027435.jp