By: GrahamF
- 8th July 2012 at 20:39Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Reading these comments about the price, I thought I had momentarily morphed into some twilight zone, but really $125,000 for an airworthy vintage jet sounds like a bargain to me.
By: Trolly Aux
- 8th July 2012 at 20:53Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
80k GBP not bad for what you get and fuel burn is not really an issue if you can afford a Ferrari you can run one of thease and have pound notes in your back pocket.
By: David Burke
- 8th July 2012 at 21:04Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Your looking at burning best part of 2000 litres an hour at 90 pence a litre in a Vampire. Even if you can afford a Ferrari its still a good indication of why so many Jet Provosts and Hunters are flying compared to Vampires.
By: jetguy
- 8th July 2012 at 21:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Your looking at burning best part of 2000 litres an hour at 90 pence a litre in a Vampire. Even if you can afford a Ferrari its still a good indication of why so many Jet Provosts and Hunters are flying compared to Vampires.
???
Are you suggesting that a Vampire burns more than a Hunter?
Not even close.
Vampire has between 3,000 and 3,500 Lbs of thrust.
Hunter 7,500 to over 10,000 lbs of thrust.
By: David Burke
- 9th July 2012 at 10:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Jetguy - they are completely different engine designs so the thrust Vs fuel burn isnt comparable between the aircraft .Add to the fact that a Hunter is probably cruising around 600 knots and doing a lot more distance in the same amount of time and the Hunter is alot more aircraft for less money.
By: Wyvernfan
- 9th July 2012 at 20:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And based on a pilots experience then surely flying a Vampire is 'easier' than a Hunter, is it not? :confused: I'll admit that the Goblin engine needs more anticipation of developing situations due to its slower spool up speed, but the airspeed differential between the two types surely makes the Hunter more 'hot', and one for the more experienced pilot!
And i have to agree with Bruce on the exclusivity point. How many Vampire's are there airworthy in the UK compared to say JP's, or indeed Hunters?
By: pagen01
- 9th July 2012 at 21:45Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one is more attractive than the other, but it wasn't that long ago that it seemed that there were Vampires and Venoms, including single seaters, all over the sky, most seem to have been grounded or exported since, which suggests to me something about their desirablility here. Will someone want to bring back one here for $125,000?
Hard to believe that there are only two flying Vamps (both trainers) left in its home country.
By: Wyvernfan
- 9th July 2012 at 22:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think thats possibly more to do with what they are constructed of rather than desirability. The DeHav's being much more susceptible to the British weather!
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By: GrahamF - 8th July 2012 at 20:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Reading these comments about the price, I thought I had momentarily morphed into some twilight zone, but really $125,000 for an airworthy vintage jet sounds like a bargain to me.
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By: Trolly Aux - 8th July 2012 at 20:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
80k GBP not bad for what you get and fuel burn is not really an issue if you can afford a Ferrari you can run one of thease and have pound notes in your back pocket.
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By: G-ASEA - 8th July 2012 at 20:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I've seen it race at Reno 2009 and last year. They said last year that they had added 10 mph to its top speed by taking it windscreen wiper off.
Dave
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By: David Burke - 8th July 2012 at 21:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Your looking at burning best part of 2000 litres an hour at 90 pence a litre in a Vampire. Even if you can afford a Ferrari its still a good indication of why so many Jet Provosts and Hunters are flying compared to Vampires.
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By: Trolly Aux - 8th July 2012 at 21:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Whats the running cost of Mustang or Hurricane?
yes JPs work out similar per hour as Harvards just you get there twice as quick
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By: jetguy - 8th July 2012 at 21:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
???
Are you suggesting that a Vampire burns more than a Hunter?
Not even close.
Vampire has between 3,000 and 3,500 Lbs of thrust.
Hunter 7,500 to over 10,000 lbs of thrust.
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By: David Burke - 9th July 2012 at 10:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Jetguy - they are completely different engine designs so the thrust Vs fuel burn isnt comparable between the aircraft .Add to the fact that a Hunter is probably cruising around 600 knots and doing a lot more distance in the same amount of time and the Hunter is alot more aircraft for less money.
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By: Thunderbird167 - 9th July 2012 at 16:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Goblin Specific fuel consumption: 1.3 lbf/lb/hr
Avon Specific fuel consumption: 0.932 lbf/lb/hr
According to Wiki so the Goblin burns more fuel
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By: Bruce - 9th July 2012 at 16:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I see no point in this comparison of apples and oranges TBH.
What price a good Hunter these days, with a good spare engine? I bet its more than that Vampire....!
Bruce
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By: pagen01 - 9th July 2012 at 17:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Certainly not the ones I'm aware of, though I suppose the status of the spare engine is the deciding factor.
Seems expensive for a Vampire, the WWII type comparison is a bit tenuous really, it really is a post-war jet trainer.
Also worth noting that Jetguy has operated both types, so I guess he's aware of the comparitive running costs!
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By: Bruce - 9th July 2012 at 20:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes it is; I 'm playing devils advocate somewhat.
It is essentially a simple aeroplane however - relatively easy to operate. Are there any others, that are similarly airworthy for sale?
Bruce
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By: Wyvernfan - 9th July 2012 at 20:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And based on a pilots experience then surely flying a Vampire is 'easier' than a Hunter, is it not? :confused: I'll admit that the Goblin engine needs more anticipation of developing situations due to its slower spool up speed, but the airspeed differential between the two types surely makes the Hunter more 'hot', and one for the more experienced pilot!
And i have to agree with Bruce on the exclusivity point. How many Vampire's are there airworthy in the UK compared to say JP's, or indeed Hunters?
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By: pagen01 - 9th July 2012 at 21:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one is more attractive than the other, but it wasn't that long ago that it seemed that there were Vampires and Venoms, including single seaters, all over the sky, most seem to have been grounded or exported since, which suggests to me something about their desirablility here. Will someone want to bring back one here for $125,000?
Hard to believe that there are only two flying Vamps (both trainers) left in its home country.
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By: Wyvernfan - 9th July 2012 at 22:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think thats possibly more to do with what they are constructed of rather than desirability. The DeHav's being much more susceptible to the British weather!
Rob
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By: bleeming - 10th July 2012 at 00:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The city of Stockton, California ! Just gone broke
BTW ....... Could this be the reason for the sale ?? :p