Yes, it is indeed a Hunter grip. It was the third in a line of at least 19 successive Dunlop handles to be fitted to the Hunter, replacing the AC12590. It too was then later replaced by the AC61044 in most applications.
The AC14728 handle was used on the F4, F5, F6, T7, T8, FGA9, FR10, F50, F51, T53, F56, F57, F58, F59, T62, T60, T66B, T66C, T67 & T69.
The important numbers on any Dunlop handle will be on the little data plate. Most Dunlop handles will be of a 'generic' cast body and each modification/upgrade indicated by this data plate rather than the casting number on the handle itself, hence the similarities between the handles.
There are however, a couple of Dunlop handles that were only fitted to one particular mark of Hunter. The AC14264, AC61316, AC61860 and the AC63308 were only used on the F58. The AC63494 & AC63682 were only ever used on the FGA9 although, other handles were also fitted across the fleet of the time, including the FGA9 and F58.
My recent purchase, Harvard/Texan spade grip. Unfortunately with a stuck firing button. I have managed to get the button to twist, but in still refuses to depress!! The 'Safe/Fire' twists OK. Is it possible to remove the entire firing button?
Think there are 2 small screws on the back either side of the button.
By: Brightspark180
- 5th May 2019 at 21:13Permalink
Hi Brightspark 180,
Yes, it is indeed a Hunter grip. It was the third in a line of at least 19 successive Dunlop handles to be fitted to the Hunter, replacing the AC12590. It too was then later replaced by the AC61044 in most applications.
The AC14728 handle was used on the F4, F5, F6, T7, T8, FGA9, FR10, F50, F51, T53, F56, F57, F58, F59, T62, T60, T66B, T66C, T67 & T69.
The important numbers on any Dunlop handle will be on the little data plate. Most Dunlop handles will be of a 'generic' cast body and each modification/upgrade indicated by this data plate rather than the casting number on the handle itself, hence the similarities between the handles.
There are however, a couple of Dunlop handles that were only fitted to one particular mark of Hunter. The AC14264, AC61316, AC61860 and the AC63308 were only used on the F58. The AC63494 & AC63682 were only ever used on the FGA9 although, other handles were also fitted across the fleet of the time, including the FGA9 and F58.
GYD
Thank you very much for the information, always appreciate your assistance.
Supposed Hurricane grip on US ebay. Appears to be correct for the mark. I don't know if other aircraft used essentially the same grip. With all the expertise on this site I suspect its origin can be identified. It has been restored. Unfortunately, if it has any engraved markings they cannot be seen under the grey paint.
By: Lysanderlover
- 7th May 2019 at 02:35Permalink
Hello gents:
Supposed Hurricane grip on US ebay. Appears to be correct for the mark. I don't know if other aircraft used essentially the same grip. With all the expertise on this site I suspect its origin can be identified. It has been restored. Unfortunately, if it has any engraved markings they cannot be seen under the grey paint.
It's a shame - I'm sure it's the real thing, but all gooped up like that it could just as well be fake. Why do people find the need to 'restore' something when, in my mind, the value is in the patina / realism of an artifact preserved 'as found'.
That is a replica Hurricane grip. The casting is poor, even poorer than a Canadian built grip. The gun button machining marks are inconsistent with a period piece, the brake lever cable guide end piece is incorrect. The brake catch is a poor casting as opposed to an early stainless item or a bent and welded steel variety. The back of the button does not have the stamps I would expect. Missing at least 3 x official stampings from the main casting - should I go on?!
Hi all:
A question for you...especially to those of you knowledgeable of airliner control wheels. Regarding the control wheels used in DC-8s after the mid-1960s and in all iterations of the DC-9; were the castings used all the same? Or were there some nuances? Thank you for any help.
By: visotka1
- 27th May 2019 at 11:24Permalink- Edited 2nd October 2019 at 14:50
Hi all!
Here is a new exhibit in my small collection. Yak-38m
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A Forger! That is a rare one, Visotka. A very impressive number of buttons and switches. I recently bought what I thought was a uniquely shaped back seat F-4 Phantom control column. It turned out to be from a Fairchild T-46 Eaglet, a cancelled trainer from the 80s. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Sorry Visotka, I did not translate well. Like Fly. Buy said, NATO name. Thanks Swifter, I was hoping to turn that stick into quick cash. Now I want to keep it. No idea on the DC yokes sorry, out of my military area.
Sorry Visotka, I did not translate well. Like Fly. Buy said, NATO name. Thanks Swifter, I was hoping to turn that stick into quick cash. Now I want to keep it. No idea on the DC yokes sorry, out of my military area.
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By: FLY.BUY - 4th May 2019 at 20:30 Permalink - Edited 5th May 2019 at 19:24
Nice control wheel on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Douglas-A-20-Havoc-Control-yoke-Steering-Wheel-rare-WWII/192908100569?hash=item2cea3803d9:g:vCwAAOSwnJpczd8r
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By: Gin Ye Daur - 4th May 2019 at 20:48 Permalink
Hi Brightspark 180,
Yes, it is indeed a Hunter grip. It was the third in a line of at least 19 successive Dunlop handles to be fitted to the Hunter, replacing the AC12590. It too was then later replaced by the AC61044 in most applications.
The AC14728 handle was used on the F4, F5, F6, T7, T8, FGA9, FR10, F50, F51, T53, F56, F57, F58, F59, T62, T60, T66B, T66C, T67 & T69.
The important numbers on any Dunlop handle will be on the little data plate. Most Dunlop handles will be of a 'generic' cast body and each modification/upgrade indicated by this data plate rather than the casting number on the handle itself, hence the similarities between the handles.
There are however, a couple of Dunlop handles that were only fitted to one particular mark of Hunter. The AC14264, AC61316, AC61860 and the AC63308 were only used on the F58. The AC63494 & AC63682 were only ever used on the FGA9 although, other handles were also fitted across the fleet of the time, including the FGA9 and F58.
GYD
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By: QldSpitty - 5th May 2019 at 04:13 Permalink
Think there are 2 small screws on the back either side of the button.
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By: FLY.BUY - 5th May 2019 at 19:20 Permalink
EE Canberra yoke for sale
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/dominic-winter-book-auctions/catalogue-id-srdom10127/lot-d57c1084-26ac-4b91-abde-aa3f012983d6
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By: Brightspark180 - 5th May 2019 at 21:13 Permalink
Thank you very much for the information, always appreciate your assistance.
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By: Swifter - 7th May 2019 at 02:20 Permalink
Hello gents:
Supposed Hurricane grip on US ebay. Appears to be correct for the mark. I don't know if other aircraft used essentially the same grip. With all the expertise on this site I suspect its origin can be identified. It has been restored. Unfortunately, if it has any engraved markings they cannot be seen under the grey paint.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Hawker-Hurricane-Fighter-pilot-spade-grip-as-used-at-Battle-of-Britain-RARE/123757785890?hash=item1cd089f322:g:ff0AAOSw3Ulcz9Ww
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By: Lysanderlover - 7th May 2019 at 02:35 Permalink
It's a shame - I'm sure it's the real thing, but all gooped up like that it could just as well be fake. Why do people find the need to 'restore' something when, in my mind, the value is in the patina / realism of an artifact preserved 'as found'.
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By: Rocketeer - 7th May 2019 at 15:55 Permalink
That is a replica Hurricane grip. The casting is poor, even poorer than a Canadian built grip. The gun button machining marks are inconsistent with a period piece, the brake lever cable guide end piece is incorrect. The brake catch is a poor casting as opposed to an early stainless item or a bent and welded steel variety. The back of the button does not have the stamps I would expect. Missing at least 3 x official stampings from the main casting - should I go on?!
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By: Rocketeer - 7th May 2019 at 15:59 Permalink
Should have also said P2884's grip would look absolutely nothing like that, even if it had been over-restored.
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By: Swifter - 24th May 2019 at 03:05 Permalink
Hi all:
A question for you...especially to those of you knowledgeable of airliner control wheels. Regarding the control wheels used in DC-8s after the mid-1960s and in all iterations of the DC-9; were the castings used all the same? Or were there some nuances? Thank you for any help.
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By: visotka1 - 27th May 2019 at 11:24 Permalink - Edited 2nd October 2019 at 14:50
Hi all!
Here is a new exhibit in my small collection. Yak-38m
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By: ian_ - 28th May 2019 at 18:00 Permalink
A Forger! That is a rare one, Visotka. A very impressive number of buttons and switches. I recently bought what I thought was a uniquely shaped back seat F-4 Phantom control column. It turned out to be from a Fairchild T-46 Eaglet, a cancelled trainer from the 80s. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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By: ian_ - 28th May 2019 at 22:32 Permalink
Here's the Eaglet stick. Looks quite F-4.
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By: Swifter - 29th May 2019 at 02:55 Permalink
Ian: That T-46 grip is certainly rarer than a F4 Wizzo's grip. Perhaps more of a conversation piece.
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By: visotka1 - 29th May 2019 at 05:53 Permalink
I do not understand! This is a joke???
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By: FLY.BUY - 29th May 2019 at 08:07 Permalink - Edited 29th May 2019 at 08:07
NATO name for Yak-38 is ‘’FORGER’
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By: ian_ - 29th May 2019 at 12:38 Permalink
Sorry Visotka, I did not translate well. Like Fly. Buy said, NATO name. Thanks Swifter, I was hoping to turn that stick into quick cash. Now I want to keep it. No idea on the DC yokes sorry, out of my military area.
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By: visotka1 - 29th May 2019 at 12:48 Permalink
Everything ОК))) difficult translation
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By: visotka1 - 1st June 2019 at 18:50 Permalink - Edited 2nd October 2019 at 14:50
Hello to all! New exhibit to the collection. IL-18. I start the restoration process
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By: FLY.BUY - 1st June 2019 at 18:57 Permalink
Nice control wheel, one of my favourite aircraft. Good luck with the restoration!