Great write up EM, I was at Headcorn today flying and even in the short time I was there a customer came in and made a serious enquiry about a Spitfire flight.
Serious question, is Keith Perkins a lottery winner?
By: Oily Rag
- 23rd June 2014 at 20:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great write up EM, I was at Headcorn today flying and even in the short time I was there a customer came in and made a serious enquiry about a Spitfire flight.
Serious question, is Keith Perkins a lottery winner?
By: The Bump
- 23rd June 2014 at 22:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Trumper after many years of problems with the locals the airfield now has their backing they have now realised that the airfield is an asset & brings money in to the local economy. The Lashenden Air Warfare Museum is erecting a new display hall to house more of its stored exhibits & the Fi103 R-4 Reichenberg & we now have Aero Legends operating from Lashenden (Headcorn). Things can only get better with several warbirds bieng based there!
That is good news.
When I first became acquainted with EGKH back in the 90's I was stunned at the anti airfield movement and website run by one malevolent individual , I remember him gloating about light aircraft prangs (some fatal)
A few people asked him via his website whether he'd prefer an industrial or housing estate , to which he replied either would do. This was during the dark days of New Labour and Fatty Prescotts mad obsession with building on anything, particularly if it meant annoying nearby Tories.
By: Agent K
- 24th June 2014 at 08:02Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems to suggest fly WITH a Spitfire or Hurricane rather than in (especially not in a Hurricane!) so no change there from what has been for years? Also a schoolboy error with a picture of a Hurricane behind the Spitfire text.
By: The Bump
- 24th June 2014 at 10:42Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems to suggest fly WITH a Spitfire or Hurricane rather than in (especially not in a Hurricane!) so no change there from what has been for years? Also a schoolboy error with a picture of a Hurricane behind the Spitfire text.
After looking at the website I'm not as excited about this at the moment as I should be.
I can only assume the 2 BBMF guys are joining the operation after leaving the RAF in the future.
IIRC, Dunc Mason has another season after this in charge.
Posters on this forum are largely knowledgeable about the historic aviation scene, are we expected to believe that 2 current key BBMF personnel (the OC and the Ops officer) are already with this fledgling operation?
The day to day running of the BBMF is a time consuming occupation, with busy weekends .
Not a lot of time to fit in hops with 'Aero Legends' I would have thought.
By the way,I run a local pub football team, the coaching staff includes Jose Mourinho and Frank Lampard:eagerness:
For this you will fly in a Tiger Moth either G-PWBE or G-ANMO (& G-ANDE when its restoration is finished), a Harvard IV G-BGPB & then in Sptfire T9 PV202. When the Aero Legends Spitfire NH341 (G-CICK) has finished its restoration & conversion to twin seat you will then fly in this aircraft. Nobody has mentioned anything about flying in a Hurricane.
The Harvard IV & Spitfire T9 will be supplied by ARCO at Duxford & it is presumed that they will supply the pilots to fly their aircraft.
By: Consul
- 24th June 2014 at 22:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Aerohistorian
I can understand Agent K's interpretation. Although the aerolegends website may not be the origin of confusion, there was a misleading comment in "The Times" yesterday. Their reporter Oliver Moody described a flight he had just been given in the two seat Spitfire, then at the end of his article mentioned that: "Aero Legends flights in a Hurricane or Spitfire will start at £390 from July 1".
By: Moggy C
- 26th June 2014 at 09:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
However, if you think about your average PPL in a group, he'll pay the group an hourly sum that does, in a well run group at least, include a contribution to the engine fund. So in his hourly rate which he will share with his passenger(s) at least an element of the engine usage cost is shared.
I have no idea where that takes us, but then the CAA rules have always been a labyrinth, but they do appear to recognise that and are taking constructive steps to sort it out.
In truth, the legality of the arrangement is the operator's concern. If it is suspect the CAA will not pursue the 'customer' so it's hardly worth worrying about.
Presumably there would be insurance issues, but that only matters if you have dependents.
By: Dunbar
- 1st August 2014 at 00:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Good chance that with potential legislation changes( possibly very soon) BFA at Goodwood will be offering flights to non pilots under informed consent ruleset. If you get the chance, take it....there are few things more overwhelming than a first Spitfire flight.
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By: The Bump - 23rd June 2014 at 19:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great write up EM, I was at Headcorn today flying and even in the short time I was there a customer came in and made a serious enquiry about a Spitfire flight.
Serious question, is Keith Perkins a lottery winner?
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By: Oily Rag - 23rd June 2014 at 20:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Serious Answer: None of your business.
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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 23rd June 2014 at 20:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No a very successful businessman with a great taste in warbirds!
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By: TonyT - 23rd June 2014 at 21:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well said that man.
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By: The Bump - 23rd June 2014 at 21:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thank you for the sensible answer.
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By: The Bump - 23rd June 2014 at 22:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is good news.
When I first became acquainted with EGKH back in the 90's I was stunned at the anti airfield movement and website run by one malevolent individual , I remember him gloating about light aircraft prangs (some fatal)
A few people asked him via his website whether he'd prefer an industrial or housing estate , to which he replied either would do. This was during the dark days of New Labour and Fatty Prescotts mad obsession with building on anything, particularly if it meant annoying nearby Tories.
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By: Agent K - 24th June 2014 at 08:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems to suggest fly WITH a Spitfire or Hurricane rather than in (especially not in a Hurricane!) so no change there from what has been for years? Also a schoolboy error with a picture of a Hurricane behind the Spitfire text.
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By: charliehunt - 24th June 2014 at 08:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Isn't this a duplication of this?...http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?130703-Fly-in-a-Spitfire-Air-Experience-Flights-NO-licence-needed!
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By: Moggy C - 24th June 2014 at 09:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed.
Now merged.
Moggy
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By: The Bump - 24th June 2014 at 10:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
After looking at the website I'm not as excited about this at the moment as I should be.
I can only assume the 2 BBMF guys are joining the operation after leaving the RAF in the future.
IIRC, Dunc Mason has another season after this in charge.
Posters on this forum are largely knowledgeable about the historic aviation scene, are we expected to believe that 2 current key BBMF personnel (the OC and the Ops officer) are already with this fledgling operation?
The day to day running of the BBMF is a time consuming occupation, with busy weekends .
Not a lot of time to fit in hops with 'Aero Legends' I would have thought.
By the way,I run a local pub football team, the coaching staff includes Jose Mourinho and Frank Lampard:eagerness:
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By: Flygirl - 24th June 2014 at 10:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Fantastic video :-) what a lovely chap.
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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 24th June 2014 at 16:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Agent K if you look carefully at the Aero Legends website (www.aerolegends.co.uk) you will see the following:-
Tiger Moth, Harvard, 20 Minutes Spitfire cost share £4,900.00.
For this you will fly in a Tiger Moth either G-PWBE or G-ANMO (& G-ANDE when its restoration is finished), a Harvard IV G-BGPB & then in Sptfire T9 PV202. When the Aero Legends Spitfire NH341 (G-CICK) has finished its restoration & conversion to twin seat you will then fly in this aircraft. Nobody has mentioned anything about flying in a Hurricane.
The Harvard IV & Spitfire T9 will be supplied by ARCO at Duxford & it is presumed that they will supply the pilots to fly their aircraft.
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By: Consul - 24th June 2014 at 22:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Aerohistorian
I can understand Agent K's interpretation. Although the aerolegends website may not be the origin of confusion, there was a misleading comment in "The Times" yesterday. Their reporter Oliver Moody described a flight he had just been given in the two seat Spitfire, then at the end of his article mentioned that: "Aero Legends flights in a Hurricane or Spitfire will start at £390 from July 1".
Tim
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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 25th June 2014 at 06:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thats the national press for you!
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By: Moggy C - 26th June 2014 at 09:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
However, if you think about your average PPL in a group, he'll pay the group an hourly sum that does, in a well run group at least, include a contribution to the engine fund. So in his hourly rate which he will share with his passenger(s) at least an element of the engine usage cost is shared.
I have no idea where that takes us, but then the CAA rules have always been a labyrinth, but they do appear to recognise that and are taking constructive steps to sort it out.
In truth, the legality of the arrangement is the operator's concern. If it is suspect the CAA will not pursue the 'customer' so it's hardly worth worrying about.
Presumably there would be insurance issues, but that only matters if you have dependents.
Moggy
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By: Foto4 - 26th June 2014 at 14:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Full set of pictures of the press launch on the Headcorn Website www.headcornaerodrome.co.uk
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By: ANGPHO - 31st July 2014 at 16:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
According to their website, yes.
http://aerolegends.co.uk/articles/aero-legends-first-public-event/
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By: Oily Rag - 31st July 2014 at 17:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Duxford and Headcorn....
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By: Dunbar - 1st August 2014 at 00:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Good chance that with potential legislation changes( possibly very soon) BFA at Goodwood will be offering flights to non pilots under informed consent ruleset. If you get the chance, take it....there are few things more overwhelming than a first Spitfire flight.
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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 6th August 2014 at 17:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From Headcorn (Lashenden) Aerodromes facebook page
Aerolegends will be operating the two seat Spitfire and T6 Harvard at Headcorn tomorrow and Friday.