By: Moggy C
- 15th February 2015 at 11:25Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What chimed with me was the close
"However an exhibition of his aircraft, ET574, broken, and fragmented, but placed in its historical and environmental context where it can inspire the imagination of the viewer, would be a haunting reminder of the sacrifice of not just Flight Sergeant Copping, but many other aircrew of all combatant nations, who suffered a lonely death fighting not a human enemy, but the beautiful and lethal wilderness of the North African Desert. ET574 should be the last occasion where the recovery of an aircraft is undertaken because of what it is rather than the historical and archaeological story it can tell."
By: Bruce
- 15th February 2015 at 11:42Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And has anyone asked the RAF Museum what their intentions are for it?
Whilst 'pipeline' might seek to claim the idea for his/her own, I think you will find that it was always the intention to display it as such - as, when and if it can come to the UK.
Bruce
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By: Anonymous
- 15th February 2015 at 12:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, to answer your question, Bruce.
'Britain at War' magazine has asked the RAFM for a statement. This will appear in a two page news feature in the April edition of the magazine.
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By: Mike J
- 15th February 2015 at 12:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope you have made a similar approach to Kennet, as they have received an unfair lambasting for their part in the recovery in the mainstream media, without all the facts being investigated, IMO
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By: Anonymous
- 15th February 2015 at 12:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Our piece focuses on the media storm directed at the RAFM and looks at the story of Dennis Copping himself.
Since the controversy was very much directed at the RAFM we have asked for and been provided with a statement by the RAFM.
To the very best of my knowledge there has been no 'lambasting' or criticism of Kennet Aviation in the mainstream media. My press cuttings from the Express, Mail, Telegraph and Times certainly make no critical comment in that direction whatsoever. Since the story, here, relates to matters arising from the RAFM report and the subsequent media attention, and since no criticism (to my knowledge) has entered the mainstream public domain via the news media of Kennet Aviation in respect of this business arrangement, we have not addressed any issues relating to Kennet Aviation. That is not the story, although I accept that it has been on this forum.
The piece is factual, uncontroversial and balanced and merely echoes what is already in the public domain but with a full statement of facts from RAFM Hendon.
By: jeepman
- 15th February 2015 at 16:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What a poorly-written piece, full of political bias, factual inaccuracies and spelling and grammatical errors. Whoever 'The Pipeline' are, I would strongly suggest that they at least engage the services of a proof reader. No wonder that the person who cobbled this together (largely from posts on this forum, it would appear) conveniently neglected to attach their name to it.
there is a strangely familiar name on the sidebar though...................
By: pat1968
- 15th February 2015 at 22:17Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope you have made a similar approach to Kennet, as they have received an unfair lambasting for their part in the recovery in the mainstream media, without all the facts being investigated, IMO
Could you elaborate on this as i am not aware of any 'unfair lambasting', I think the mainstream media have been critical of the RAFM and the deal that they struck? I am aware that Mr Manna feels that he/Kennet is being criticised but that is hardly the same thing.
Personally I don't really care about the deal, I am interested in Dennis Copping. If people want to state that a search was made then why can those details not be released to the family? If this was done then surely that would mitigate any unfair criticism wouldn't it? The family have been kept completely in the dark about the activities that have taken place during the recovery, they have been fed misleading and wholly incorrect information by JCCC and public speeches have taken place without any of this being presented to the family. Lets not forget as far as the UK media is concerned the first interviews and information they received was from the RAFM with interviews on the national television news herlding the impending arrival of 'their' Kittyhawk. This furore over the deal struck by the RAFM and Kennet came into the mainstream media via the RAFM museum themselves when they published their yearly statement of accounts (which they have to do as they are publicly funded), So while you are busy crying that the poor RAFM and certain parties feel hard done by now that people are asking difficult questions spare a thought for them!
By: pat1968
- 19th February 2015 at 15:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope you have made a similar approach to Kennet, as they have received an unfair lambasting for their part in the recovery in the mainstream media, without all the facts being investigated, IMO
Still no response to my question? I can only assume that there has not actually been any 'unfair lambasting'? No comments regarding the treatment of Dennis Coppings family? No surprise there!
By: Peter
- 31st May 2015 at 21:41Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Video found on facebook showing the airframe after the guns and ammo were removed... This doesnt appear to be the same one that was released back in 2012??
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By: Moggy C - 15th February 2015 at 11:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What chimed with me was the close
Moggy
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By: Bruce - 15th February 2015 at 11:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And has anyone asked the RAF Museum what their intentions are for it?
Whilst 'pipeline' might seek to claim the idea for his/her own, I think you will find that it was always the intention to display it as such - as, when and if it can come to the UK.
Bruce
By: Anonymous - 15th February 2015 at 12:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes, to answer your question, Bruce.
'Britain at War' magazine has asked the RAFM for a statement. This will appear in a two page news feature in the April edition of the magazine.
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By: Mike J - 15th February 2015 at 12:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope you have made a similar approach to Kennet, as they have received an unfair lambasting for their part in the recovery in the mainstream media, without all the facts being investigated, IMO
By: Anonymous - 15th February 2015 at 12:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Our piece focuses on the media storm directed at the RAFM and looks at the story of Dennis Copping himself.
Since the controversy was very much directed at the RAFM we have asked for and been provided with a statement by the RAFM.
To the very best of my knowledge there has been no 'lambasting' or criticism of Kennet Aviation in the mainstream media. My press cuttings from the Express, Mail, Telegraph and Times certainly make no critical comment in that direction whatsoever. Since the story, here, relates to matters arising from the RAFM report and the subsequent media attention, and since no criticism (to my knowledge) has entered the mainstream public domain via the news media of Kennet Aviation in respect of this business arrangement, we have not addressed any issues relating to Kennet Aviation. That is not the story, although I accept that it has been on this forum.
The piece is factual, uncontroversial and balanced and merely echoes what is already in the public domain but with a full statement of facts from RAFM Hendon.
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By: jeepman - 15th February 2015 at 16:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
there is a strangely familiar name on the sidebar though...................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SaQVakJ-w
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By: Bruce - 15th February 2015 at 18:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So there is. One Mr Brockman. Not doing himself any favours there I suggest.
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By: Mike J - 15th February 2015 at 18:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Poor old Mortimer Wheeler must be spinning in his grave to have had his name appropriated by such an amateurish bedroom publishing operation.
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By: Mark12 - 15th February 2015 at 18:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
:)
Strangely not a mention of an imminent report.
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By: pat1968 - 15th February 2015 at 22:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Could you elaborate on this as i am not aware of any 'unfair lambasting', I think the mainstream media have been critical of the RAFM and the deal that they struck? I am aware that Mr Manna feels that he/Kennet is being criticised but that is hardly the same thing.
Personally I don't really care about the deal, I am interested in Dennis Copping. If people want to state that a search was made then why can those details not be released to the family? If this was done then surely that would mitigate any unfair criticism wouldn't it? The family have been kept completely in the dark about the activities that have taken place during the recovery, they have been fed misleading and wholly incorrect information by JCCC and public speeches have taken place without any of this being presented to the family. Lets not forget as far as the UK media is concerned the first interviews and information they received was from the RAFM with interviews on the national television news herlding the impending arrival of 'their' Kittyhawk. This furore over the deal struck by the RAFM and Kennet came into the mainstream media via the RAFM museum themselves when they published their yearly statement of accounts (which they have to do as they are publicly funded), So while you are busy crying that the poor RAFM and certain parties feel hard done by now that people are asking difficult questions spare a thought for them!
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By: pat1968 - 19th February 2015 at 15:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Still no response to my question? I can only assume that there has not actually been any 'unfair lambasting'? No comments regarding the treatment of Dennis Coppings family? No surprise there!
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By: Peter - 31st May 2015 at 21:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Video found on facebook showing the airframe after the guns and ammo were removed... This doesnt appear to be the same one that was released back in 2012??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OWPg5FLh8o#t=172